EPT[Champion] Miss Fortune - Page 11
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chalice
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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GreggSauce
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as far as BT "nerf" i've always build botrk IE PD on her, now I even get to add a youmoos to the equation | ||
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chalice
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Alaric
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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On June 24 2014 07:53 GreggSauce wrote: lucian is so easy to trade with now, MF doesn't have a counter anymore IMO as far as BT "nerf" i've always build botrk IE PD on her, now I even get to add a youmoos to the equation Well actually the statistics always had MF winning the matchup, he wasn't the problem. Just don't E max off the bat vs him. Your build path is terrible though lol, BotRK is one of the worst possible AD items to build on MF first. | ||
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GreggSauce
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On June 25 2014 05:11 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Well actually the statistics always had MF winning the matchup, he wasn't the problem. Just don't E max off the bat vs him. Your build path is terrible though lol, BotRK is one of the worst possible AD items to build on MF first. what elo are you in? | ||
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Nemireck
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On June 25 2014 05:11 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Well actually the statistics always had MF winning the matchup, he wasn't the problem. Just don't E max off the bat vs him. Your build path is terrible though lol, BotRK is one of the worst possible AD items to build on MF first. Or ever, really. It was fantastic when it was 45 AD though. By the by, I've been making TF a standard item on my MF now in place of PD or Shiv and it feels really nice. General build order is BT - Greaves - LW - TF (zeal, phage, complete) I get a Zeal before LW if I'm screwin around with extra E points (Q - E - W), since W at level 1 simply doesn't replace the missing AS from building Zeal as late as I do. But the build is very natural if you're doing Q - W - E skill order. TF procs on Q and I get a laugh every time I smash a squishy for 1/3rd health off a single Q once TF is finished. | ||
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chalice
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=5HATCOMBO 2206 is my estimated MMR in NA right now (click "calculate MMR"), I'm diamond 5 but I think I can make at least d3 by the time I play 120* ranked games [edit] wtf i already hit 100 =//[/edit]. I'm still getting +25~ a win but I had to move back to a place where the internet is shaky so sometimes I randomly lagspike or dc. Haven't been playing much lately. | ||
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GreggSauce
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Nemireck
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On June 25 2014 11:58 GreggSauce wrote: so we're about equal then i just dropped to plat 1 kinda just trolled my elo to shit didn't think i'd drop out of diamond, idk i've been able to out duel all other adc's as mf by rushing botrk, i don't generally use conventional builds unless they are truly the best, nothing i've seen has proven to me that botrk isn't the best item for her How about some common sense? She's a Q-based ADC. The more you can make her Q deal damage, the better off you'll be playing MF. I'm pretty sure that even with the nerf to BT she's STILL better off starting BT. Like seriously, unless you're doing some silly E-max or E-second build (I still need to play more E max and second to give it a fair shake, but so far as I can tell it's still sub-par compared to Q-W-E), BT should be your go-to cheapest 80 AD. You can build LW next and by the time LW is finished you're level 10-11 with 2 points in W to make up for any lost attack speed from either Zeal or BorK. Then you can build the attack speed item of your choice (mine is TF, but PD, Shiv or even BorK work here) and finish with IE and GA... | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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On June 25 2014 11:58 GreggSauce wrote: so we're about equal then i just dropped to plat 1 kinda just trolled my elo to shit didn't think i'd drop out of diamond, idk i've been able to out duel all other adc's as mf by rushing botrk, i don't generally use conventional builds unless they are truly the best, nothing i've seen has proven to me that botrk isn't the best item for her Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that MF's main role in teamfights is to get a good E+R off, and BotRK gives 25 AD while BT gives, for only 300 more gold, 80 AD. Her ult doesn't have a ratio, but it DOES apply W, which gives you a ridiculous amount of AD scaling as magic damage--essentially the same thing. You do a LOT more damage with BT in teamfights even if your ability to 1v1 is questionably better with BotRK. There are only a few situations where I would take BotRK over BT on MF and they're usually when I'm like 1v1 with Renekton or something. Anyway, my opinion on the matter is that BT's stronger. I'm pretty sure the math will back me up, especially because BotRK loses efficiency against targets with low health and/or squishies. | ||
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chalice
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On June 25 2014 14:25 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Anyway, my opinion on the matter is that BT's stronger. I'm pretty sure the math will back me up, especially because BotRK loses efficiency against targets with low health and/or squishies. not that it matters because lol botrk, but the %current hp factor has to be huge in teamfights when you get a solid ult off and everyone is less than 50% hp before you even start attacking anyone. | ||
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zer0das
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chalice
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On June 25 2014 16:44 zer0das wrote: Current is current. Not total. So it'd do almost nothing. yeah that was the point, the passive is probably worse on mf than any other ad in the game. | ||
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AsianEcksDragon
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On June 25 2014 14:12 Nemireck wrote: How about some common sense? She's a Q-based ADC. The more you can make her Q deal damage, the better off you'll be playing MF. I'm pretty sure that even with the nerf to BT she's STILL better off starting BT. Like seriously, unless you're doing some silly E-max or E-second build (I still need to play more E max and second to give it a fair shake, but so far as I can tell it's still sub-par compared to Q-W-E), BT should be your go-to cheapest 80 AD. You can build LW next and by the time LW is finished you're level 10-11 with 2 points in W to make up for any lost attack speed from either Zeal or BorK. Then you can build the attack speed item of your choice (mine is TF, but PD, Shiv or even BorK work here) and finish with IE and GA... I hope you know that Q isn't actually on-hit and thus doesn't give you any lifesteal. It can't crit either but IE is still more cost-efficient and the benefit of a crit is far better than the little lifesteal that bt gives now. If you want your Q to hurt, a brutalizer will be better for laning. Overall, this patch has been a nerf to MF but if you still want to play her then IE or Trinity suits her better than BT. BOTRK is terrible as well because her Q and W scales with AD while only W scales with AS. Also, E max is generally better against all but Ezreal, Tristana, and Lucian. Tbh, I wouldn't play her in the current patch. Caitlyn and Twitch can build IE and be more effective because her kit simply doesn't optimize the crit/AS stats. | ||
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Alaric
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In this context, lifesteal is an on-hit effect (see Yasuo). | ||
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Nemireck
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On June 25 2014 17:27 AsianEcksDragon wrote: I hope you know that Q isn't actually on-hit and thus doesn't give you any lifesteal. It can't crit either but IE is still more cost-efficient and the benefit of a crit is far better than the little lifesteal that bt gives now. If you want your Q to hurt, a brutalizer will be better for laning. Overall, this patch has been a nerf to MF but if you still want to play her then IE or Trinity suits her better than BT. BOTRK is terrible as well because her Q and W scales with AD while only W scales with AS. Also, E max is generally better against all but Ezreal, Tristana, and Lucian. Tbh, I wouldn't play her in the current patch. Caitlyn and Twitch can build IE and be more effective because her kit simply doesn't optimize the crit/AS stats. I hope you know that Q actually DOES apply on-hit effects and thus DOES give you lifesteal (I think I would have noticed that it wasn't applying lifesteal sometime during the thousand or so games I've played on her). It can't crit though, you're right about that. Also, you don't build TF instead of BT, you build them both. You would build TF in place of a PD or Shiv and rely on W to subsidize the missing AS, but it doesn't really matter because Q already does that, plus it's applying TF procs. I also don't agree that E max is generally better against anything. While I've noted that I need to try it some more and get a real feel for it, I'm of the opinion that at best, E should be maxed second behind Q. In the 10 or so games I've maxed E first and get into engagements I'm BEGGING for my Q to get off CD in order to finish people off that I'm certain my normal Q max would have secured. I AM leaning towards going E second instead of W now though, that's starting to feel really strong to me. | ||
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