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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 15 2011 07:19 GMT
#81
turns out you can now ignore people in replays. sweet!
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
October 15 2011 08:20 GMT
#82
lol u can ignore those guys who kept flaming each other
so useful
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billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
October 15 2011 10:02 GMT
#83
navi, have you had any problems against certain champs? i reallly want to buy her but there are a few other 6300 champs i'd like to buy ><. just making sure if she good all round like laning udyr before i buy hehe
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
October 15 2011 11:03 GMT
#84
If you liked her during free week then go ahead by all means
Haven't yet lost a lane that wasn't due to a mistake or jungle gank (in terms of pure laning power level) except some really kinky GP that dyrus was running, but I misruned for it and could have probably fb'd him if I had my armor runepage.

but like lanedyr she is pretty terrible 1v2
probably not relevant in solo q at least
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gaizka
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States991 Posts
October 15 2011 11:03 GMT
#85
The first replay bugs out at 8minutes and the second one you were like 10-0 at 10 minutes, or something pretty ridiculous like that. Do you have a closer game?
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
October 15 2011 11:07 GMT
#86
my computer crashed so these are replays that i took today on a different comp, sorry
ill add more later
i was getting pretty fed second game but the gameplay leading up to that is relevant i think

in fact 2nd replay is probably more relevant to laning in general since there wasn't some long ass level 1 teamfight
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-Cyrus-
Profile Joined June 2011
United States318 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 18:11:15
October 16 2011 18:10 GMT
#87
On October 10 2011 13:08 Navi wrote:
what makes you think she is a terrible top solo? i have beaten many garens and the like in lane with her.

the lack of early survivability in your builds perhaps lead to your bad solo top experiences.

maxing q, while having more potential max burst in one exchange, is worse in the midgame because your cds on w and e are relatively long. E and W's scaling is similar to q's (better if you only get two q's on the enemy in terms of damage mitigated / dealt) but their cds scale per rank whereas q's doesn't.


Terrible is probably a poor choice of words. I just think that there are far better choices than her for top lane. To be honest, the best place for Riven to be in a standard lineup is definitely the jungle.

Also, you are correct when saying that Q is not the best skill to max first. Ki burst is the best skill to max first. I actually meant to type W > Q > E, I made a mistake because I use custom hotkeys.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 18:55:24
October 16 2011 18:49 GMT
#88
On October 17 2011 03:10 -Trippin- wrote:
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On October 10 2011 13:08 Navi wrote:
what makes you think she is a terrible top solo? i have beaten many garens and the like in lane with her.

the lack of early survivability in your builds perhaps lead to your bad solo top experiences.

maxing q, while having more potential max burst in one exchange, is worse in the midgame because your cds on w and e are relatively long. E and W's scaling is similar to q's (better if you only get two q's on the enemy in terms of damage mitigated / dealt) but their cds scale per rank whereas q's doesn't.


Terrible is probably a poor choice of words. I just think that there are far better choices than her for top lane. To be honest, the best place for Riven to be in a standard lineup is definitely the jungle.

Also, you are correct when saying that Q is not the best skill to max first. Ki burst is the best skill to max first. I actually meant to type W > Q > E, I made a mistake because I use custom hotkeys.

Why? You make this assertion but you don't back it up. Top is the afk-farm lane, and Riven makes the best use of the afk-farm lane out of any champ in the game. Just simply going even with anyone is better for you simply because of how you outscale anybody, and there are lots of people she'll shit on with her ridiculous levels 1-3. Her jungle is nice, but I don't feel it's compelling enough to make up for the fact that you'll come out of laning phase 30-40 creeps behind where you'd be top lane, and you'd need to make up that farm difference midgame (much harder when you don't have a summoner spell slot for Teleport to split-push with).

And again, why Q over E? The damage gain from Q is not that good (only 20 per hit per rank), and E is pretty critical to your survivability in fights (4 seconds off the CD is pretty noticeable).
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 16 2011 19:57 GMT
#89
Aw yeah, was on a losing streak playing AD range, switched to Navi build Riven, went 15-3-16. BT/GA/IE so gooooood. Never die always kill huehuehue.

I say the same thing about Jungle a lot. Jungle Riven is weaker than Lane Riven, but Jungle Riven is actually really good and better than a lot of Junglers out there. She's not "tier 1" or whatever (tiers are silly), so I'd not pick her over Udyr or Trundle or something, but she's a rather viable pick if you're looking for a Jungler. Good ganks even pre 6, decent counter-jungling or counter-counter-jungling.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 20 2011 14:57 GMT
#90
Bah, any tips about laning against Jax solo top? He just far outdamage/stuns me and I can't escape him, sucks so bad. Wat do?
It's your boy Guzma!
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 20 2011 15:01 GMT
#91
On October 20 2011 23:57 Requizen wrote:
Bah, any tips about laning against Jax solo top? He just far outdamage/stuns me and I can't escape him, sucks so bad. Wat do?

you're doing it wrong. Riven outdamages like, everyone in lane, it's pretty fucking absurd. In my 1st game on Riven, I outdamaged a Garen in lane.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 20 2011 15:04 GMT
#92
On October 21 2011 00:01 Mogwai wrote:
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On October 20 2011 23:57 Requizen wrote:
Bah, any tips about laning against Jax solo top? He just far outdamage/stuns me and I can't escape him, sucks so bad. Wat do?

you're doing it wrong. Riven outdamages like, everyone in lane, it's pretty fucking absurd. In my 1st game on Riven, I outdamaged a Garen in lane.

Really? I never get that impression in my games. I run arpen reds, armor yellows, mr/lvl blues, AD quints. Start cloth 5. What have you been doing, because I honestly don't feel my damage is up to par until wriggles is done.
It's your boy Guzma!
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 20 2011 15:11 GMT
#93
Against weak lanes I'd run that page, otherwise I'd run defensive quints (against Garen I came to lane with like 60 something armor). I dunno man, against melees who have to eat your Qs to last hit, you deal a shit ton of damage by just facerolling your combo.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 20 2011 15:24 GMT
#94
On October 21 2011 00:11 Mogwai wrote:
Against weak lanes I'd run that page, otherwise I'd run defensive quints (against Garen I came to lane with like 60 something armor). I dunno man, against melees who have to eat your Qs to last hit, you deal a shit ton of damage by just facerolling your combo.

That's the thing though, they don't go in to last hit at my Elo. I'm trying to farm and use Q to keep them away, but Jax'll just charge in and smack me around, then hop away onto a friendly minion before I can finish my combo. Whenever I trade, it seems, I always come out with lower damage, and I don't entirely know why.
It's your boy Guzma!
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 20 2011 15:30 GMT
#95
I dunno what you mean by "trying to far and use Q to keep them away", but if Jax is using his leap to get away, LOL at you still taking enough damage to QQ about it.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 20 2011 15:33 GMT
#96
On October 21 2011 00:30 Mogwai wrote:
I dunno what you mean by "trying to far and use Q to keep them away", but if Jax is using his leap to get away, LOL at you still taking enough damage to QQ about it.

Yeah, I generally just suck at playing melee characters haha. I'm never sure when to engage and hit the enemy or when to just farm. It's a lot easier on ranged characters
It's your boy Guzma!
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
October 20 2011 15:55 GMT
#97
How well does she deal with Yorick? It seems like it would be an interesting MU but I've never witnessed it.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
October 20 2011 16:48 GMT
#98
if he could get to level 7 or so without getting dumped on, Yorrick would probably win, but I think he'd have a hell of a time making it that far without getting diced up.
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billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-20 17:41:23
October 20 2011 17:40 GMT
#99
On October 21 2011 00:24 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 00:11 Mogwai wrote:
Against weak lanes I'd run that page, otherwise I'd run defensive quints (against Garen I came to lane with like 60 something armor). I dunno man, against melees who have to eat your Qs to last hit, you deal a shit ton of damage by just facerolling your combo.

That's the thing though, they don't go in to last hit at my Elo. I'm trying to farm and use Q to keep them away, but Jax'll just charge in and smack me around, then hop away onto a friendly minion before I can finish my combo. Whenever I trade, it seems, I always come out with lower damage, and I don't entirely know why.


teleport

if you've been last hitting well, you should be way ahead of him once you get your items even if you fall short on getting a wriggles - especially at early levels

not sure what that runes that jax was running, but his combo usually eats up a lot of mana early on
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 20 2011 17:43 GMT
#100
On October 21 2011 02:40 billy5000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 00:24 Requizen wrote:
On October 21 2011 00:11 Mogwai wrote:
Against weak lanes I'd run that page, otherwise I'd run defensive quints (against Garen I came to lane with like 60 something armor). I dunno man, against melees who have to eat your Qs to last hit, you deal a shit ton of damage by just facerolling your combo.

That's the thing though, they don't go in to last hit at my Elo. I'm trying to farm and use Q to keep them away, but Jax'll just charge in and smack me around, then hop away onto a friendly minion before I can finish my combo. Whenever I trade, it seems, I always come out with lower damage, and I don't entirely know why.


teleport

if you've been last hitting well, you should be way ahead of him once you get your items even if you fall short on getting a wriggles - especially at early levels

not sure what that runes that jax was running, but his combo usually eats up a lot of mana early on

Meh, that's a flaw of mine. I don't like going back, because then I know I'm losing lane, so I always stay in too long and die.

It was a lot easier once I finished Wriggles and hit 6, but until that point I just felt like I was the weaker one in lane.
It's your boy Guzma!
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