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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 04 2012 21:10 GMT
#821
Yeah, it's a huge change for top lane. I think you are also completely underestimating how strong veteran's scar is for early game trades, which is what Riven's laning excels at. Because of the disappearance of indomintable and the change in tough skin, I don't see a whole lot of reason to go 19/11/0 anymore.

http://www.finalesfunkeln.com/s3/#GaUMSlqTvMa6vEd
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 04 2012 21:30 GMT
#822
On December 05 2012 05:54 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 05:18 Requizen wrote:
If you want to fight, why would you not get any Offensive Masteries? No Arpen, no CDR, no AD, no extra oomph. 5 less damage on autos isn't worth losing out on shields and hitting harder. Wanderer also sucks in lane, since it's only a MS boost when you're not in combat, which starts on getting hit or hitting a minon/champion. Safeguard is also really iffy, very situational and you shouldn't be the one tanking turrets for more than a shot or two anyway.

I'm going to be going this to start:

http://www.finalesfunkeln.com/s3/#7bUMSlqTvgl6Ld

Switching points between Hardiness and Resistance based on who I'm laning against. Remember, you don't really value health all that much since you have your shield. Also, Tough Skin is good for trading in lane because you'll block a lot more damage from minions than you think. A single auto from each minion in a wave means you're taking 12 less damage, and you'll take a lot more from ranged minions if you're fighting anywhere near the wave.

Riven is all about AD and killing. You're not a tanky champ, if you want to play her to her best.

Dorans start is good, though, I'll probably either start DBlade or Longsword, unless I need a Cloth or DShield start against an annoying lane.

Are you aware tough skin ONLY affects JUNGLE monsters? Not minions. And perseverence seems iffy. Put those 9 points into the health mastery - Vet scars is as good as it ever was (quite good) especially for early game lane fighting. If you want any flat damage reduction, pick up Unyielding/block (requires 13 points in defense)

Oh, I did misread that. I'd put it into health, sure. I may be overestimating Perseverance's power, as it doesn't have any numbers tied to it.

I still think missing out on deep offensive is a bit of a waste. Veteran's Scars and Durability? Sure, I can see that, but missing out on Sunder and Executioner for 5 damage blocked (which will start to fall off as ADs get more a couple items, well before you start dueling them) seems a bit of a waste.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 04 2012 22:08 GMT
#823
Why would you not be trading in lane before you get items. You're playing Riven.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 04 2012 22:10 GMT
#824
On December 05 2012 07:08 koreasilver wrote:
Why would you not be trading in lane before you get items. You're playing Riven.

I meant against AD carries, as in "by the time you fight the enemy ADC, they're going to have enough damage that they won't really care about you blocking 5 of it".

I could see taking Unyeilding against someone like Xin/Fiora/etc that's going to be high auto attack in lane, but that's not every enemy champion.
It's your boy Guzma!
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
December 05 2012 22:03 GMT
#825
Currently running 21/9/0 masteries, starting Boots 3 or Dblade if an easy matchup(singed).

Strong trading power, haven't needed the ward or biscuit from utility as 3pots gives enough regen for me and if a level 2 gank is a possibility I just play more passive and let them push. Maxing Q>W>E>R.

As far as items, yesterday I went Boots->2x dblade->brut->vamp->BT->BC and was absolutely destroying anyone who got near me. Game ended at this point, but I most likely would have gone Mercurial and a LW if heavy armor or 2nd BT if squishy after.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
December 09 2012 16:10 GMT
#826
Been running: http://www.finalesfunkeln.com/s3/#ZMUq7nvaTxjUgd

Going BC>BT>Hydra>Defencive.

Been wrecking EVERYTHING. Granted, BC is stupid strong but I haven't been stacking them either. Riven brings the damage that just won't quit.

RIVU RIVU RIVU!
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
December 09 2012 18:46 GMT
#827
Do you run arp or ad rune pages now?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
December 09 2012 18:47 GMT
#828
AD.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 19:44:55
December 09 2012 19:43 GMT
#829
I tried out 1/13/16 and didn't really like it. Vs matchups you could abuse by starting dorans, you don't need the safety of biscuit+ward because you can just play safe at the timings the jungler would be top before first buy and otherwise dominate them anyways

Not having the 8% ArPen is actually quite noticeable in early trades: I'd rather start sword 2 pots and have better masteries

The flash CDR is nice, but ArPen is just too good, and the other 8 points in utility are pretty much wasted filler (don't need gp10 to stomp people, idle movespeed not awesome anymore)
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necaremus
Profile Joined December 2013
45 Posts
January 07 2014 11:38 GMT
#830
i go 15-15-0 masteries on riven, grabbing 10% less crit or 3% less aoe depending on enemy team
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a13ph
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation3 Posts
January 12 2014 11:32 GMT
#831
Why is she banned so often nowadays? Is that Renekton/Shyvana/Mundo related?
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
January 12 2014 12:22 GMT
#832
Insane snowballing and decent laning, especially vs uncoordinated teams.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
January 13 2014 13:32 GMT
#833
On January 12 2014 20:32 a13ph wrote:
Why is she banned so often nowadays? Is that Renekton/Shyvana/Mundo related?

No, Shyvana and Renekton are actually good picks against Riven. (Mundo isn't).
Riven has been banned a lot for quite some time now, she's just "too good" in a sense. Mobile, very high damage and even after the combo she can just get away. If she gets a slight advantage there's not much you can do to stop her anymore. I think the general consensus is that her E shield might need a nerf so she's still a fun assassin, just a bit more killable.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 14 2014 04:47 GMT
#834
Her E shield is getting nerfed though, so look for that in the near future
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Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
January 23 2014 19:20 GMT
#835
Any thoughts on Riven post-nerf?

As someone who mained her to Diamond, I feel like her laning phase is much, much weaker. I think a sufficient nerf to her trading power would have been increased CD on shield with lower duration perhaps, but the damage nerf is pretty noticeable. Her endgame is still strong IMO, but it's rough getting there on a "snowbally" champ especially vs the current top laners.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
InfSunday
Profile Joined March 2013
United States735 Posts
January 23 2014 22:00 GMT
#836
So far what I've noticed is that in early-midgame team fights she feels a lot squishier with the shorter shield duration. I almost feel like you need to itemize defense earlier now, but I'm not sure how to do so without cutting into her damage, and I definitely prefer lucidity boots if possible. Maybe an earlier finish of BC from the bruta after Hydra? Though I suppose the 200 health isn't going to make such of a difference. Doing something like GA or Spirit Visage feels ideal but delays Last Whisper longer than I'd like. Hmm.
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K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
January 24 2014 03:30 GMT
#837
On January 24 2014 04:20 Mondeezy wrote:
Any thoughts on Riven post-nerf?

As someone who mained her to Diamond, I feel like her laning phase is much, much weaker. I think a sufficient nerf to her trading power would have been increased CD on shield with lower duration perhaps, but the damage nerf is pretty noticeable. Her endgame is still strong IMO, but it's rough getting there on a "snowbally" champ especially vs the current top laners.


Definitely feel the early game hurt. Lategame I don't really see a difference damage wise.

Ehh.. I feel like the Riven OP was a bit exaggerated. She's definitely really strong in small skirmishes, but there are tons of champs that snowball harder and have more relevance in team fights in my opinion.
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
January 24 2014 06:02 GMT
#838
On January 24 2014 12:30 K3Nyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2014 04:20 Mondeezy wrote:
Any thoughts on Riven post-nerf?

As someone who mained her to Diamond, I feel like her laning phase is much, much weaker. I think a sufficient nerf to her trading power would have been increased CD on shield with lower duration perhaps, but the damage nerf is pretty noticeable. Her endgame is still strong IMO, but it's rough getting there on a "snowbally" champ especially vs the current top laners.


Definitely feel the early game hurt. Lategame I don't really see a difference damage wise.

Ehh.. I feel like the Riven OP was a bit exaggerated. She's definitely really strong in small skirmishes, but there are tons of champs that snowball harder and have more relevance in team fights in my opinion.

There is a big difference, riven had little to no counterplay when snowballing and was hard to shut down. For the following reasons:
1. 4 dashes, aoe stun and shield, everything on low CD. For instance other snowbally champions like fizz/zed are pretty easy to shut down with a coordinated team, you chain your CC and thats it, one long cd escape won't save them in every situation.
2. Riven is a top lane champion, and enemy team doesn't generally waste their CC on toplane champions like rene, mundo, shyv, since there are higher priority targets like Mid carry and ADC. Therefore Riven gets even more snowballing potential, since there isn't enough CC to shut her down.
3. Itemization. The more damage you build, the tankier you get. Epitome of snowballing.

So yeah, nerf was justified. But the way it was done is questionable.
oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
January 26 2014 20:31 GMT
#839
I took riven for a spin today. Most broken champ in the whole game. Insane damage, stun, free 500 shield every 4.5 second & impossible to catch if by some miracle she loses a trade. Can go 1v3 and not even break a sweat mid/late game.
If you want free elo pick her up. Only thing you can do against her is chain cc until she's dead.

I did face a really bad riven yesterday. I was thresh and hook flay ulti ignited her under turret. She had to run and I couldn't catch but was so close she died =) Any other non tank would have died for sure in that situation.
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