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Basaest
Profile Joined May 2011
32 Posts
September 20 2013 09:10 GMT
#381
BotRK might work, the SV FH rush simply means you get tanky really fast. I've seemed to be able to crush lanes pretty well by the time i would get BotRK. The max cdr gap gives you loads of strenght anyway and if you delay the FH SV core for smt else you might not just feel as powerful of a tank. Q heal is still kinda ridiculous. I should still try BotRk first.
Basaest
Profile Joined May 2011
32 Posts
September 20 2013 09:11 GMT
#382
Generally you want to go teamfighting as soon as you hit 6, the shitty waveclear kinda needs you to. Ofcourse the teamfights have to yield smt or your oppposing laner will get way too much free time on his hands
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
September 20 2013 10:45 GMT
#383
Only go teamfight at 6 if your other lanes need it or you are facing a laner you'll never get a Q off onto.
Q harass into all-in is so oppressive at 6-9, don't squander it.
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Basaest
Profile Joined May 2011
32 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 11:34:07
September 20 2013 11:33 GMT
#384
Yeah, kinda wrote that last part wrong, what i meant by saying that you should start teamfighting early is that you shouldnt atleast imo be a dedicated splitpusher like most of the other champs that go top. Dragon fights and etc are simply great places for you. If the situation allows for earlier midgame fights then you should be happy. Can't exactly say when I usually finish the core or atleast be half done with it, but if you can at that time rally your team (they somehow end up mid or smt) you are so tanky and deal great dmg, so dont waste that. And that slow pushing power simply hurts, you are still somewhat of a shen who is just a 1v1 bully at that point (and you can often 1v2 much better) but you lack his ultimate.
DrunkenOne
Profile Joined August 2012
United States302 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 12:56:29
September 20 2013 12:55 GMT
#385
Played him a bit as well for the same reasons (bob's stream). He still suffers from all his major issues in lane but the fast 40% CDR makes him a monster given that his ult is ul like every 40 seconds so he can catch people all day. But yeah he still has horrible farming/last hitting, terrible wave clear (especially mid/late game when other champs can almost instaclear a wave and WW is forced to autoattack), ridiculous mana costs/mana pool, no escape/gap closer, can't really support ganks til 6 (although 6 usually nets a kill), no real scaling besides CDR, etc. Dat burst so good though. Also his W is amazing for autoattack dependent teams and taking turrets.
Yarr?
APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 21:00:31
September 20 2013 21:00 GMT
#386
botrk is a decent item on ww, but I think there are better damage items on him: sorc shoes, haunting guise, sunfire, abyssal. botrk has a few issues, in that it loads too much of his damage onto his ultimate and that you're not going to get armor pen.

on another note, i used to love playing ww in season 2 and would love to bring him back into my champion pool, but the main reason i haven't been playing him is that he kinda seems like a worse zac...
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
September 20 2013 22:50 GMT
#387
On September 20 2013 19:45 Duvon wrote:
Only go teamfight at 6 if your other lanes need it or you are facing a laner you'll never get a Q off onto.
Q harass into all-in is so oppressive at 6-9, don't squander it.

All in at 6 with Q spam is really obnoxious, most people dont expect it tbh.
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trollbone
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
France1905 Posts
September 21 2013 00:07 GMT
#388
As for jungle warwick (i'm diamond IV) i play him with some degree of sucess, i go utility or damage it depends.

I go madred, wits end, sunfire/SV

hard pre 6 if they have a good jungler, if u can manage to go to 6 without a lot of death on your team, he will net 100% kills and can snowball your lanes very very hard. Very good midgame champ, punish lots of positionning mistakes by your opponents
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-21 00:49:32
September 21 2013 00:49 GMT
#389
New Triforce should be godly on warwick, Q + auto attack, chunks tons.
liftlift > tsm
APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
September 21 2013 01:47 GMT
#390
On September 21 2013 09:49 wei2coolman wrote:
New Triforce should be godly on warwick, Q + auto attack, chunks tons.


>__>

no =(

his cooldowns are too long to use triforce pre-cdr. AP is bad on him, crit is bad on him, attack speed is bad on him, and AD is bad on him.

and he doesn't get any APen to make the sheen proc matter late =(
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
September 21 2013 18:10 GMT
#391
On September 21 2013 06:00 APurpleCow wrote:
botrk is a decent item on ww, but I think there are better damage items on him: sorc shoes, haunting guise, sunfire, abyssal. botrk has a few issues, in that it loads too much of his damage onto his ultimate and that you're not going to get armor pen.

on another note, i used to love playing ww in season 2 and would love to bring him back into my champion pool, but the main reason i haven't been playing him is that he kinda seems like a worse zac...

please don't buy sorc on warwick unless there is absolutely 0 cc in the opposing team lol. You need mercs almost all game or tabi if the opposing team is ad heavy. Playing it cute and buying sorc won't work after the laning phase has ended. Haunting guise ... I don't know maybe if you're really far ahead ? The thing with botrk is that it gives you pushing power and EVEN more chasing power with the active+E for ridiculous move speed, pen items don't. Sunfire can be good has it gives you tankiness and pushing power.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
September 24 2013 00:47 GMT
#392
On September 22 2013 03:10 RouaF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2013 06:00 APurpleCow wrote:
botrk is a decent item on ww, but I think there are better damage items on him: sorc shoes, haunting guise, sunfire, abyssal. botrk has a few issues, in that it loads too much of his damage onto his ultimate and that you're not going to get armor pen.

on another note, i used to love playing ww in season 2 and would love to bring him back into my champion pool, but the main reason i haven't been playing him is that he kinda seems like a worse zac...

please don't buy sorc on warwick unless there is absolutely 0 cc in the opposing team lol. You need mercs almost all game or tabi if the opposing team is ad heavy. Playing it cute and buying sorc won't work after the laning phase has ended. Haunting guise ... I don't know maybe if you're really far ahead ? The thing with botrk is that it gives you pushing power and EVEN more chasing power with the active+E for ridiculous move speed, pen items don't. Sunfire can be good has it gives you tankiness and pushing power.

wat
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Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
September 26 2013 06:42 GMT
#393
On September 21 2013 10:47 APurpleCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2013 09:49 wei2coolman wrote:
New Triforce should be godly on warwick, Q + auto attack, chunks tons.


>__>

no =(

his cooldowns are too long to use triforce pre-cdr. AP is bad on him, crit is bad on him, attack speed is bad on him, and AD is bad on him.

and he doesn't get any APen to make the sheen proc matter late =(


How is AS bad on him? He has very high BAS and his passive scales heavily off AS. He gets plenty from his W but not enough to reach the cap with a realistic item build.

I wouldn't recommend Triforce, but Wits is an awesome item for wolfie.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
September 26 2013 06:46 GMT
#394
On September 21 2013 10:47 APurpleCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2013 09:49 wei2coolman wrote:
New Triforce should be godly on warwick, Q + auto attack, chunks tons.


>__>

no =(

his cooldowns are too long to use triforce pre-cdr. AP is bad on him, crit is bad on him, attack speed is bad on him, and AD is bad on him.

and he doesn't get any APen to make the sheen proc matter late =(




The only really bad stat on tri-force is the AP. Rest is actually not that bad. Attack speed is a primary stat for WW and why is AD/crit bad? Surely AD/crit isn't his primary luxury stats, but they synergize well with his kit, because he enjoys auto-attacking.


I did try some weird shit like tri+frozen+sv, but i didn't really know what to get after.
hi
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 06:49:39
September 26 2013 06:48 GMT
#395
If you can farm a triforce, it'd be great. I don't know where people get the idea that triforce is bad. If you could somehow farm triforce you'd be pretty fucking beastly. Especially combined with blade, it's just ridiculous to say that triforce could possibly be bad.

Sadly, it's rarely ever going to happen, so you're stuck with blade+tank as the standard build..

Like the only semi-wasted stat is AP(AP only good on creeps/monsters).

Every other stat is useful, even if it's a secondary stat.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
September 26 2013 06:57 GMT
#396
Yeah obviously you can't include Tri-Force, Frozen Heart and Spirit Visage into a core-build like ever. It works when you're fed, play normals or w/e.
hi
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 10:57:09
September 26 2013 10:56 GMT
#397
The problem with triforce on Warwick is that Warwick is crap. If you build him like other champions he's just straight up weaker. He has a niche where you can cap CDR and go full tank and that lets you spam Q's and you can get a lot of strength out of that. If you try to build him like a regular bruiser though you're going to have to ask yourself why not just play a regular bruiser.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
September 26 2013 11:55 GMT
#398
Because late-game Warwick is better than 80% of all bruisers in the game? Besides, just because a champion is considered under-powered does not mean you shouldn't be playing him.
hi
DrunkenOne
Profile Joined August 2012
United States302 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 13:47:38
September 26 2013 13:46 GMT
#399
I still think SV + FH + botrk is much better than any build with triforce. Botrk synergizes much better than triforce since it adds 5x procs on his ult + the active. With Q->ult->Q->botrk active you can almost 100-0 squishies. WWs farming is so abysmal that you aren't realistically going to get more items than that anyways. Even if I somehow got more fed I would probably get more tanky items instead of triforce. WW has enough burst and sustained damage without it.
Yarr?
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 14:51:48
September 26 2013 14:45 GMT
#400
If you've already got the SV/FH bulk, Triforce is going to crush people. WW has huge base AD and his Q drops down to 3.6 seconds (not to mention his ult will apply it immediately, last ~2 seconds, so you'll apply it immediately upon ending your ult when you Q auto to follow up.)

Obviously WW cares more about tanking up first before the triforce, and he's a pretty mediocre splitpusher - but he's actually faster than Shen. You could go sunfire instead of FH if you need to split faster, but you'd probably have been better off picking something like Nasus if you knew at champion select you wanted to be playing a mega tanky, mega sustainy splitpusher who makes carry's lives miserable.

Going to have to say triforce is almost definitely better than BORK for most circumstances. When you have one of the highest base AD in the game, a short cooldown nuke you want to spam, sick sustain without a lifesteal item... the buildup to triforce is just way better for you. Even just a sheen or just a phage is pretty wonderful. Cutlass is kinda meh on him comparitively - you shouldn't be needing that much sustain in lane, and a health buffer can be nice so you don't get burst down before your oppressive in-fight sustain kicks in with your second and third round of Qs.

Triforce adds 500 damage to ult-Q-auto as well, but it makes non-ult bursts FAR scarier than BORK does.
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