LOL 36 minutes pink ward, well normally it last a bit less. But yeah that's what you have to do to make ww viable, especially against a shaco who needs those first kills
i'm glad you are having sucess with him. When i picked i had like 25% winrate with him then i toyed with everything and i think in the past 30 games i have a 80% winrate
Damn you carried hard, 34 kills/assist and only 2 death
I think i would have taken a guardian angel instead of thornmail but heh u didn't died a lot anyway And damnit guys UPGRADE YOUR TRINKETS ! say that for everyone (even for myself )
Speaking from my personal experience I haven't been able to make ww top work on a consistent basis.
Yes here and there you have a game against a full ad opponent where you farm decently, get glacial shroud and you just Q, Q, Q, Q then finish for the win but most of time you will get pushed under turret, go oom, miss cs (unless you have ad runes which aren't the perfect choice on ww) and maybe even get dove.
WW also pushes way too slow, if your opponent shoves the lane and roams there's absolutely nothing you can do about it, it will take you 15minutes to take the tower, he's also very vulnerable to ganks since he has 0 escape, goes oom too fast in a meta where other top lanes can stay in the lane an infinite amount of times because they are all tanky sustain manaless champs.
So yeah sometimes it works and it's incredibly fun but most of the times his many weaknesses will be abused and you will be a very sad wolf. Obviously there's no doubt that his mid/late game is awesome but the laning is soooo painful....
If you want to try it out I recommend running the defensive tree, hybrid pen reds, armor yellows, mr or cdr blues, movespeed or ad quints all depending on who you're laning against.
i remember before when ww top was a thing, people would get chalice on him vs ap, maybe athene would be a decent buy on him now. Maybe tiamat yeah but if u go that way you will have no mana pool/mana regen so maybe max W ?
just some food for though, i tried to search on mobafire/solomid/lolking some decent guides to ww but there is nothing out there. Then i tried youtube for some commentaries and there is not much. This is a video commentary made by stonewall and i want everybody to see it to look at the things that YOU SHOULD NOT make
first off utility warwick, not a good choice, the biscuits that he has are useless, and what are you going to do with your ms against a renekton and a zigg ?? Second flash vs ghost on warwick, if warwick had no ultimate it would be easy ghost, consider him like nasus but the problem is that flash ultimate is way too good, u already have a semi ghost when a target is low, flash is better. (ghost is better pre-6, but you don't careeeeeeeeeeeeeee about ganking pre-6) Third, if you go utility after your first buff go straight to the second one, your smite will be up, don't waste time and maximize your smite cd Fourth, look at his ganks pre 6, DON'T DO THAT. You should have already pictured the ganks scenario and that there was no way in hell you could gank renekton especially with a no damage utility warwick. fifth, if you are utility tree you could maybe do some counter jungling but i would advise you not to, only if you know where the other jungler is.
Now look at his position at 8 minutes He is not lvl 6 He has 22 cs compared to kaziks 25 + 2 kills he wasted 175 gold on useless biscuits The utility tree gave him NOTHING/complete waste The counter jungling set him more behind than his opponent, the fail ganking attempt set him behind
It's extremely bad, u should be lvl 6 at 7:15 after your second first buff, don't waste time !
After this very bad early game, he abuse the strength of warwick his ultimate even though it doesn't deal a lot of damage with his utility tree, his opponents are bad that's all. Just also something if you are not utility warwick you need those mobility boots early, after the ancient golem or even before. If u go utility you don't need to do that and go straight to your sunfire.
At least, warwick is very good at securing objectives because of his sustain and his attack speed buff. you can do if u have the opportunity a lvl 5 dragon with one other member
If you had to remember one thing from this video it's the use of his ultimate that's all, a pretty bad showcase of early game warwick, his biggest weakness
I feel that because of the gold increase in s4 SUPPORT ww is now legit. He has some weakness that bascilly means he can't be a top tier support and not worth play versus the top players, but like in 99.9% of the game he can be used to great effect!. You play him basiclly as top/jungle ww but from the suppport position, and he has great tools to aid your team from here!.
Cons: Bad BAD lane, they will try to harras, they will try to zone, just need to wether the storm with careful positioning and good warding, it's very possible unless the enemy can perfect play against you, which isnt easy.
Warding: he cant get as "classic" support becuase he needs to rush items.
Peel: can only use ultimate+botrk active, granted combined with the as buff for the adc its not bad, but it's the only peel
Pros:
Ultimate: Has so many uses that benefit your team!. Initiate[either primary or secondary], catch tower divers or players who misstep thier position[either into tower range or in the open], in ganks, in 2v2, for peels...it has great uses for support, does pretty good damage with items and has short cooldown.
Ganks: Once you are level 6 it's hunting season, fast ganks mid for ulti+ignite+free mid skillshots or ganks at your own lane with jungle help. Big damage and hard to escpe from, can gank better than most[all?] other supports because of the e speed.
Vision: If the enemey is less than 50% hp they are in a problem, they cant hide, they cant run if you want to chase, they cant surprise your from brushes...it's a great benefit.
Team AS buff: 40% is almost what nunu gives ..but for the entire team, good in the bruzer meta. Helps getting buffs and towers very fast.
Hard to kill, damage, unignorable: the traits of lane/jungle ww,. With s4 gold changes you get the same items you could on other lanes, so its the same effect.
I suggest you try it for yourself and have fun with it, won't really help you get into the lcs, but it's not a joke and i feel it's legit.
If you have any questions i'm on #r/leagueoflegends on quakenet. Happy hunting.
On January 06 2014 06:17 JimmiC wrote: So when I top lane ww I been running 4-21-5, what do you think about that jungle?
no, i dont know why u have 5 points in utility, u should go 6-21-3 if you really want the movespeed top.
But if u consider warwick like a passive lane top, (i think he is more like a mundo/nasus), you should grab like 4-26-0. If i had to play ww, thats how i would do it (like my nasus)
In the jungle you don't need all the regen/armor stuff to do your job but if u really want a more tanky wick go 9-21-0 or 6-21-3
Support WW is terrible and top ww just gets totally dunked by every current good top champ in the meta
Jungle WW is okay, questionably? I've seen a lot more this season than in 2 or 3 but he's nowhere near as good as he was back in the day when like blue buff would outright kill most champs that tried to 1v1 it at level 1.
The cons listed in the support ww post pretty much validate picking anything as support and sharing creeps with the adc, the build/playstyle described adds that little in the way of support.
On January 06 2014 06:17 JimmiC wrote: So when I top lane ww I been running 4-21-5, what do you think about that jungle?
no, i dont know why u have 5 points in utility, u should go 6-21-3 if you really want the movespeed top.
But if u consider warwick like a passive lane top, (i think he is more like a mundo/nasus), you should grab like 4-26-0. If i had to play ww, thats how i would do it (like my nasus)
In the jungle you don't need all the regen/armor stuff to do your job but if u really want a more tanky wick go 9-21-0 or 6-21-3
wouldn't you rather go 3 points into mana regen instead of 1.5% ms? your E is plenty movespeed anyways and the regen helps alot with mana issues in lane.
On January 10 2014 02:57 Slusher wrote: The cons listed in the support ww post pretty much validate picking anything as support and sharing creeps with the adc, the build/playstyle described adds that little in the way of support.
Well first off, you dont share creeps or anything.
The thing is, it's not a "typical" spport, you just happen to play from the lane that the adc is. The reason this is legit and other troll picks are not, are the actual benefits as i said, HUGE as buff for team, great ganks, good vision when less than 50%, good single target peel/initiate. Again against the top of the top this probley won't work as it's hard to play versus perfect zone, but how many players can do that?, 5000 out of 32 million or so?.
On January 10 2014 02:57 Slusher wrote: The cons listed in the support ww post pretty much validate picking anything as support and sharing creeps with the adc, the build/playstyle described adds that little in the way of support.
Well first off, you dont share creeps or anything.
The thing is, it's not a "typical" spport, you just happen to play from the lane that the adc is. The reason this is legit and other troll picks are not, are the actual benefits as i said, HUGE as buff for team, great ganks, good vision when less than 50%, good single target peel/initiate. Again against the top of the top this probley won't work as it's hard to play versus perfect zone, but how many players can do that?, 5000 out of 32 million or so?.
You don't put a support in bot lane to get carried into the mid to late game by the ADC. You put an ADC in bot lane to get carried into the mid to late game by the support.
If you want to run something that doesn't lane well early or needs some help getting into the mid or late game, you throw it into the jungle.
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