[Champion] Warwick - Page 29

9 minutes is so early into the game I don't think there's not going to be a perceptible difference. If you skill your stuff realistically (two points in whatever you're maxing, 1 point in the other skills, point spent in ult) that's like enough time for 3 points in your main skill depending on exactly where you end?

Focusing on w and not taking second blue buff, the main limitation was the time spent walking between creep camps. I hit around 48 creeps at 9 minutes with 21/9/0 masteries (and was ~2 seconds from getting the little golems at red), but I think the paths you take matter more than what you spec...--

With a focus on q I cleared 46 creeps (again, walking between camps was the main time limiter), but if put substantial levels in q first you can do one full clear, using q once at each camp before you're essentially out of mana. That freaking sucks. The difference between max q and w would be a lot more evident in the next 6-10 minutes, I think.

When you recall matters a lot too, because I was able to finish wriggles with max q due to having to recall more frequently for mana reasons, whereas I was still on razor when I focused on w (strictly because I hadn't recalled twice) because mana is not a limitation if you use q sparingly. I guess you could use q sparingly too if you focused on q, but that seems self defeating for clear speed purposes.

Also, I tried it with movement speed quints and still 21/9/0, and only got 40 creeps cleared with the focus on q at 9 minutes. It was still ~46 creeps with the focus on w at 9 minutes. I think the reason for that is if you go move speed quints while maxing q, you arrive at camps faster but you don't have the 2 second reduction from extra points in w, so its largely wasted because you have to decide whether to hold onto it for the next camp (wasteful) or use it at the present camp and encounter the same problem at the next camp (extremely wasteful). If you put levels in w, the problem is much less pronounced. Movespeed quints while maxing q felt absolutely god awful by feel too, so I wouldn't really recommend anyone do this.

I tried to a full clear at 13 minutes starting at blue buff (with movespeed quints) just to see how the two compared, but an interesting thing happened: with q max I couldn't shove waves fast enough to get to level 9 by 13 minutes (was leeching exp to hit a certain exp threshold and have the entire jungle there). Part of that is random because I don't directly control how big the wave is when I get there, but I thought this was interesting because of how excruciating it was to actually clear a lot of purple minions if I cared about speed.

For the level 9, 13 minute full clear (which is completely arbitrary) I hit 1:26 with w max and 2 points in q (with just wriggles and boots) and I screwed up the q max test because of the experience problem threw off my time and distracted me enough I accidentally put an extra point in w. 4 points in q and 3 points in w cleared in 1:22 though. I suspect q max done right would be about 6-10 seconds slower than w max, if not more (because the whole w issue when you're running movespeed quints mentioned above).

I suppose the take home is, clear speed early is not affected too much by q or w max, nor mid-game if you have blue (unless you use sub-optimal runes), but if its mid-game and you don't have blue, w max has more staying power in the jungle (ie, you can sit and clear all day long, go use your mana to gank, come back, etc). Not really possible with Q max.