[Champion] Irelia - Page 13

On November 03 2011 22:04 dookudooku wrote:


I think the simplest response to this is that pro-streamers never ever get berserker's, while many of them do get Wit's End.

Now a better explanation: the reason Berserker's is avoided is because it's an item that only gives +dps but no defensive benefits (other than obvious movement speed). Overall, Irelia is best when every +dps item she gets also helps her defense. In fact, every item Irelia gets should add to her defense, with 2 or 3 of them also boosting her dps.

Almost any build, even troll builds, are viable when you're winning the matchup. No one cares about what to build when you're ahead, even though it's generally accepted that you can ignore defense for a while and keep increasing your offense. This information is mostly useless and actually hurts lower-level players, who just try to pile up DPS when they are already behind.

Wit's End is worth it against Jax or gp since both of them can do substantial magic damage. Also, the items significantly boosts your magic damage output, something Irelia lost with her changes.

On November 03 2011 23:08 billy5000 wrote:
As for the boots, it's just 25 defense you're sacrificing to optimize your damage output of her w for a beastly laning phase, and 25 defense in team fights won't matter that much. Of course, I'd never get berserker's if I plan on getting wit's end.

On November 04 2011 12:01 dookudooku wrote:


25 armor on someone like Irelia who can heal automatically during a fight is more significant than someone without this ability.

Let's say your opponent does 100 dmg each with attack, before armor. If you have 50 armor, you take 67 damage. If you have 75 armor, then you take 57 damage. That's a 15% reduction in damage.

Now let's say you have a comparable attack speed to your opponent, and you've maxed W. Now we are looking at 41 dmg vs 31 dmg, which is a reduction of 24%!

As damage and armor goes up over time, the % benefit will decrease, but we haven't even factored in the 12% dodge, which is something that scales perfectly over the entire game (unless they get a sotd).

On November 04 2011 13:57 billy5000 wrote:


Sounds nice in theory, but I don't recall saying that I have absolutely no armor items by the time a team fight ensues. At that time, I usually have a chain vest ready to build into a GA. Assuming I have a chain vest and 50 base armor, I'll have 95 armor vs 120 armor (50+25+45) if I decided to go ninja tabi while continuing with the GA build. With the former items, I take ~49% damage reduction compared to the ~55% damage reduction I get with the latter. That's fairly insignificant, imo. Of course, while 12% dodge has its place, it really depends on their team comp.

On November 03 2011 22:04 dookudooku wrote:


I think the simplest response to this is that pro-streamers never ever get berserker's, while many of them do get Wit's End.

Now a better explanation: the reason Berserker's is avoided is because it's an item that only gives +dps but no defensive benefits (other than obvious movement speed). Overall, Irelia is best when every +dps item she gets also helps her defense. In fact, every item Irelia gets should add to her defense, with 2 or 3 of them also boosting her dps.

Almost any build, even troll builds, are viable when you're winning the matchup. No one cares about what to build when you're ahead, even though it's generally accepted that you can ignore defense for a while and keep increasing your offense. This information is mostly useless and actually hurts lower-level players, who just try to pile up DPS when they are already behind.

Wit's End is worth it against Jax or gp since both of them can do substantial magic damage. Also, the items significantly boosts your magic damage output, something Irelia lost with her changes.