EPT[Champion] Orianna the Lady of Clockwork - Page 4
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On July 10 2011 09:25 zulu_nation8 wrote: I don't think orianna loses any lanes Annie slut. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On July 16 2011 04:48 Woony wrote: Does anybody else here sometimes feel like hes not hitting any QWs ever? QW is slightly less accurate then auto target spells. To compensate for the rare event that you might miss one it costs nearly no mana, has massive range, low cooldown and a ton of damage. In terms of balance it seems like making Ezreals Q shot pass through minions and deal quadrupple damage. Ooh and add slow to that. Seriously though i don't see how you can miss with QW. If the enemy is far away just make the ball sweep all across the lane somewhere close to the enemy and get him on the next cast. If he changes sides play it like tennis and keep him moving around. Nobody can outmove the ball and sooner or later you can see people move in for those last hits wich is when you slam the ball into their face and let W dish out too much damage. People can fake a move in any direction but they can't fake minion last hits. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On July 16 2011 05:28 zalz wrote: QW is slightly less accurate then auto target spells. To compensate for the rare event that you might miss one it costs nearly no mana, has massive range, low cooldown and a ton of damage. In terms of balance it seems like making Ezreals Q shot pass through minions and deal quadrupple damage. Ooh and add slow to that. Seriously though i don't see how you can miss with QW. If the enemy is far away just make the ball sweep all across the lane somewhere close to the enemy and get him on the next cast. If he changes sides play it like tennis and keep him moving around. Nobody can outmove the ball and sooner or later you can see people move in for those last hits wich is when you slam the ball into their face and let W dish out too much damage. People can fake a move in any direction but they can't fake minion last hits. Yeah this is pretty accurate, it's also awesome when they just stop trying and let you keep them from last hitting after a few combos. If you feel like your missing just play her more, I'm feeling way better with his hero after getting more and more games under my belt, but I still have awkward ults and stuff where ball is way out of position or I ult a second late and accidently ult in the middle of nowhere or on myself way out of a fight... , or Q's where the ball is way behind you and then it takes 2 years to catch the person. Yeah, she is a little tricky. Cast E on self, then cast Q on target if ball is way behind you, it's much faster than just Qing the target ahead of you. She is seriously good, and a ton of fun to play right now. | ||
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
How do you guys play against Annie? | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On July 16 2011 06:58 HyperionDreamer wrote: I'm having a bunch of trouble with Annie in lane right now.. It seems like ball girl would have a whole bunch more harass with a nice QWE combo, but annie's stun really messes orianna up. Plus you need to be at high level when annie hits 6, otherwise flash RQWE dead. How do you guys play against Annie? ban her or call her for ganks constantly. Actually decent annie's are really annoying but I've beaten annie's as well, not all of them know what to do in matchup it seems at my elo cause it's not that common to see Orianna's?? Idk depends on your elo I guess., especially if they open boots + 3 pots and just pot back your harass, that puts annie in a really good postition at level 6. I'm not an expert on matchup cause I don't like giving other team annie though. | ||
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
On July 16 2011 07:02 BlueBird. wrote: ban her or call her for ganks constantly. Actually decent annie's are really annoying but I've beaten annie's as well, not all of them know what to do in matchup it seems at my elo cause it's not that common to see Orianna's?? Idk depends on your elo I guess., especially if they open boots + 3 pots and just pot back your harass, that puts annie in a really good postition at level 6. I'm not an expert on matchup cause I don't like giving other team annie though. My elo is in hell, so you never really see much except for easy mode champs like cait/annie/brand in mid. Unfortunately, those are the ones that are hella hard to play against since you have to be really passive and let your lane pull quite a bit. The only ap carries that I ever really play are Orianna or TF, both of whom are not strong in lanes against most of the easy moders. I might start banning annie, or opening boots straight up so I can use my movement speed advantage to stay away from nukes. | ||
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Seiuchi
United States931 Posts
1) Stay back/defensive and farm creeps with the ball if you have to before 6. Hopefully you've farmed up enough to finish your Catalyst by 5 so you can push out and buy. 2) You have your Cata, you're gtg on harassing her and trying to get her down to burst her with your full combo. As long as you keep health up you're fine on surviving her combo and you can shield on the flash or after the stun's over and still get out with W worst case. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On July 16 2011 08:48 Seiuchi wrote: I don't usually have significant problems with Annie, but I find there's two stages of laning against Annie. 1) Stay back/defensive and farm creeps with the ball if you have to before 6. Hopefully you've farmed up enough to finish your Catalyst by 5 so you can push out and buy. 2) You have your Cata, you're gtg on harassing her and trying to get her down to burst her with your full combo. As long as you keep health up you're fine on surviving her combo and you can shield on the flash or after the stun's over and still get out with W worst case. I open boots + 3 health pots, play aggressive from level two, all the way to level 5, it's strange that you play passive when I play aggressive and vice versa. No one can survive tibbers stun + Jungler so I try to keep lane either at my tower, or go all the way to their tower and find somewhere else to be other than in middle of lane as fresh food. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
I've been feeling pretty strong with building Orianna similar to Anivia/Swain, since you run oom SO insanely fast whenever blue buff isn't up. Start Crystal+2 Rape lane? --> Tears -> Deathcap -> Banshees/Void/AA, depending on whats needed. Lose or even lane? --> Cata -> Tears -> Deathcap. The Deathcap timing in the second path feels a little late, not sure if it makes sense to get tears after Deathcap. Her teamfight presence with tears is just so damn strong to not get it. The ability to get AA later on adds a shitload of AP per slot too. Edit, on laning vs Annie: I have the same approach as BlueBird., works like a charm. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
start regrowth pendant + hp pot philo stone boots 1 tear boots 2 (i think i got boots 3 because they had like 30 ways to initiate on me and cassiopia) NLR catalyst deathcap ROA archangels | ||
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red_b
United States1267 Posts
dorans ring tear deathcap archangels banshees/lich/void staff prolly going to run cooldown boots + void staff over sorc + abyssal as well since I feel that banshees is a stronger item to use your negatron in due to the mana and health. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On July 18 2011 02:09 HazMat wrote: I highly disagree with tear. Orianna is an amazing candidate for blue since she relies on cooldowns so Cata + Blue is enough for your mana needs. I felt that way too. However, once my blue is off in a teamfight or, even worse, the enemy jungle got buffcontrol I feel utterly crippled. That's when I started using tears from time to time and it fixed the issue completely. Oriannas strengths are prolonged teamfights with chases and her great synergy with tanky dps, both of it needs spamming. How do you accomplish that when blue is down/not available? | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
edit: btw I go roa + deathcap as well | ||
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HyperionDreamer
Canada1528 Posts
Having a ton of success with this girl, she's awesome. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
What he said why he raped me: Orianna > Annie if the fight takes place at Annies tower since she can't dodge the ball well there. If the fight is in the middle, Annie can dodge ball all day and gets free shots without retaliation. If the Orianna somehow does not manage to get the lane pushed ASAP and get Annie caged, the lane is lost. If she does the hardcore pushing, Annie can farm at tower to rape her once she gets her 6 and/or let the jungle to his job. tl;dr: Annie >>> Orianna. Both sides started boots first btw. Didn't have replay running but can you guys give anything solid for playing against an Annie that focusses on getting the above into praxis? I found it almost impossible to hit that Annie when she dodged shit in the middle of the lane. | ||
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