[Champion] Orianna the Lady of Clockwork - Page 5

On July 18 2011 16:00 starfries wrote:
For boots I really think she needs Sorc shoes instead of the CDR boots. She doesn't do enough damage without them, and they make a big difference when you first get level 2 boots and don't have any AP. Also, her base cooldowns are low enough that in lane they're up whenever you need them, and your damage is limited more by the other guy's positioning. I take flash/ignite and with sorc shoes you can threaten a kill at like half health so it's really easy to force them to b and win your lane even harder.

edit: obviously if you can hog blue which you should the point is moot

On July 19 2011 00:19 HyperionDreamer wrote: not a percentage like items like abyssal scepter..

On July 19 2011 00:26 Phrost wrote:



you mean void staff, abyssal scepter is flat 20 mr reduction

On July 18 2011 22:31 Sabin010 wrote:
If you first pick Orianna, and your opponents start counter picking with nukers (le Blanc, Malz, Annie), and tanky dps take CV with Flash and level up E first getting it to lvl 5 at 9. Stack auras with respect to team mates, and ward. Support your ranged DPS with speed buffs, slows, sheilds, and pulls. Some match ups are strait up imbalanced, but Orianna can fill multiple rolls quite easily.

On July 19 2011 00:19 HyperionDreamer wrote:
Meh, the flat magic pen doesn't do enough relevant damage in the early game to be worth the price. It's a flat +20 on sorcs shoes, not a percentage like items like void staff. If you do the math, assuming a 200 damage nuke from Orianna's W, the flat +20 on a low Mres target like Annie (she has 30 innate Mres, no scaling per level), it's only 16 more damage granted from the magic pen on sorcs shoes. Also note that against high Mres targets, a percentage magic pen item like Void is way more valuable than the flat pen from sorcs shoes. I'm not a fan of sorcs in general.

I get CDR since I like having my offensive cooldowns up way faster in teamfights over dragon and such in the early-mid game. Most of the time I'll shield our initiator, speed boost our whole team with W, and then drop my ult when our initiator gets right in the midst of their whole team. The CDR boots take ~2 seconds off your W at max level IIRC, which I value pretty highly since I max W first.

On July 19 2011 00:19 HyperionDreamer wrote:
I've started taking clarity/flash, since orianna can operate pretty well on just one summoner spell (flash), and clarity fixes her mana problems in the early game. I know clarity is kind of a scrub summoner spell, but I've been having some success with it, so w/e. If we have no support (common at my scrub elo), I'll take CV/flash.

On July 18 2011 22:31 Sabin010 wrote:
If you first pick Orianna, and your opponents start counter picking with nukers (le Blanc, Malz, Annie), and tanky dps take CV with Flash and level up E first getting it to lvl 5 at 9. Stack auras with respect to team mates, and ward. Support your ranged DPS with speed buffs, slows, sheilds, and pulls. Some match ups are strait up imbalanced, but Orianna can fill multiple rolls quite easily.

On July 19 2011 01:19 TheYango wrote:
Sorcs early game edges out a Blasting Wand on DPS/gold efficiency on Orianna's level 6 combo. Since you can rely on a 10 MPen from runes, the 20 pen from Sorcs is a 20% damage increase vs. 30 MR targets, which scales extremely well until the point where enemy carries start seriously purchasing MR (very often not until after ~20 minutes in the game, after they've gotten their big damage item like IE or BT). They're not great, but they're still probably the best boots option. If you really don't like them, then holding boots 1, and getting later Mercs is probably still better than CDR boots. CDR boots are generally not purchased on mana-using AP carries, because buying CDR when you have blue buff 50%+ of the time (which Orianna should, as she's an AP carry that needs both the mana and the CDR) is generally not cost-effective.

On July 19 2011 02:46 HyperionDreamer wrote:
I guess blue buff + blue elixir is capped CDR, so it's probably more cost efficient to chug those rather than get CDR boots, even though the MPen of sorcs gets less and less worth it as the game progresses. What level or time is generally appropriate for grabbing the buff from your jungler for the first time?

On July 19 2011 05:15 Sponkz wrote:
I do like this:

9/0/21, ghost/flash. Feel free to get tp or ignite instead of ghost, that's just how i do it.

Mpen red
Ap/lvl yellow
Ap/lvl blues
Flat ap quints

Dring -> Dring -> boots -> catalyst -> hug bluebfuf -> NLR -> sorc shoes -> deathcap -> banshee/void staff -> finish the one you didnt get earlier.

The reason behind 2 dring is because i dont run scaling or flat mp5, since they're imo useless vs ap/lvl

QWQE, R > Q > W > E

????

profit

On July 19 2011 05:22 Sponkz wrote:
2) Simply put, that it gives you some much needed boots in terms of mp5 and ap early game. I'm no high ELO guy, but it works really really well. Especially seeing as someone like malz/annie will not be able to burst you down in 1 combo when you go double dorans+catalyst.

On July 19 2011 05:33 Woony wrote:
Two dorans AND catalyst is way overkill in most situations IMO, unless you really need the extra HP from the dorans for whatever reason. You should either get 2-3 dorans or catalyst in most situations (I like Cata -> RoA more and that's also what Jiji runs). Also W > Q is arguably better since landing a Q almost always guarantees landing a W and W does a fuckton of AoE damage and has a ridiculous AoE speedbuff/slow.