EPT[Champion] Jarman the Fourth (aka Jarvan ok) - Page 29
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UniversalSnip
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On February 05 2012 05:02 UniversalSnip wrote: got rolled pretty hard by a vlad last week. I killed him pretty effortlessly early but he could survive after getting a revolver and once he got some levels and a wota (pre-nerf wota) he just ate me alive. you gotta keep bodying vlad and stay up on levels and stuff. if you can't 1 combo him past level 7, your'e screwed. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
How does he do vs teemo? I've recently played against one but he was pretty bad, rushed wit's with only def. being 1 doran blade so i won the lane really hard but i wonder how does jarman lane vs decent teemos Also how about vs nidalee? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On February 05 2012 17:22 Kaniol wrote: How does he do vs teemo? I've recently played against one but he was pretty bad, rushed wit's with only def. being 1 doran blade so i won the lane really hard but i wonder how does jarman lane vs decent teemos Also how about vs nidalee? uhh, teemo's beatable, but you have to play the early levels correct. he can't be way ahead of you on his wriggles or you're fucked. don't build wit's btw, it's wriggle's -> brutalizer to beat him, it's all about casting spells on him and having those burst like a motherfucker while you're blinded. nidalee is unwinnable if she doesn't let you kill/hard-zone her pre-wriggle's. if you can manage to kill her though, you can stay ahead and beat her. | ||
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SnowFantasy
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edit: shit sorry didn't mean to bump this. timestamps are too hard for me.  | ||
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Zhiroo
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On February 28 2012 04:55 Zhiroo wrote: Can you start with Regrowth Pendant if you're jungling? In the guide to jungling with Jarman in the OP, I outline the build starting with Regrowth... | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
On February 28 2012 05:33 Mogwai wrote: In the guide to jungling with Jarman in the OP, I outline the build starting with Regrowth... My bad didn't really check the build :$, I just bought him today. | ||
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Requizen
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I really felt I was useless tho. Granted, I didn't manage to gank a lot while our mid and theirs (they had Talon) got 4-5 kills off each other, so I couldn't tank that much, and I did almost no damage. Btw, doesn't it show the Flash particle even if the champ's stealthed? I ult'd Talon once, he ulted right after to I figured I'd keep my barrier up to wait out his stealth, turns out he got out without using his jump nor any visible Flash particle, so I felt puzzled. In lane... I didn't get to do that much either, but when you're laning against Galio and you get camped, then suddenly a fed Talon with 5 kills comes to attack you from bot without a warning, you feel kinda dumb with your MR.  I don't know, I don't feel like I contribute much, and after using E, Q and possibly my ultimate I don't feel like there's much I can do. But that's perhaps I'm always camped/ganked or I fail my own ganks when I jungle him, I don't have the items to fulfill his role correctly. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On March 01 2012 09:37 Alaric wrote: I tried him top and in the jungle, using Smash's build. Got a bit slow, but that's because I fell behind so I didn't have Wriggles by the time EQ wouldn't drop the creeps. I've had problems landing the combo to initiate ganks, too. If I can't do it from the brush I'll have to lead them while accounting for the delay of Q too, I'm used to skillshots (no problem ganking with Olaf) but I'm not used to that yet. I really felt I was useless tho. Granted, I didn't manage to gank a lot while our mid and theirs (they had Talon) got 4-5 kills off each other, so I couldn't tank that much, and I did almost no damage. Btw, doesn't it show the Flash particle even if the champ's stealthed? I ult'd Talon once, he ulted right after to I figured I'd keep my barrier up to wait out his stealth, turns out he got out without using his jump nor any visible Flash particle, so I felt puzzled. In lane... I didn't get to do that much either, but when you're laning against Galio and you get camped, then suddenly a fed Talon with 5 kills comes to attack you from bot without a warning, you feel kinda dumb with your MR. I don't know, I don't feel like I contribute much, and after using E, Q and possibly my ultimate I don't feel like there's much I can do. But that's perhaps I'm always camped/ganked or I fail my own ganks when I jungle him, I don't have the items to fulfill his role correctly. With equal farm, jarvan can't carry a team. What he does do, have very long range initiation, and soft cc with his ult which lets your team pump damage into anything trapped in it. EQ flash ult travels almost 1900 range, and with his ult being 3.5 seconds (galio and amumu ults were nerfed down to 2 second duration for a reason) what you get is a long time of teabagging someone who either is forced to use flash or have an epic battle. They also finally fixed his ult not too long ago so it doesn't disappear the second he dies. I find dunking onto the AP is the most common, lots of AD's have an escape, with a few exceptions (mf ashe), while the gross majority of AP's don't. Jarvans kit is designed to either phases or initiate. His phasing is actually the opposite of how most phasing works. Normally you stand in front, and anything behind you is the phased off area, because to get through you they have to take damage, or cc etc. Jarvan's ult phases off everything outside of it, which is always a fixed area, instead of depending on where jarvan is. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Retgery
Canada1229 Posts
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Mogwai
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On March 10 2012 11:49 Mogwai wrote: I get it out of the jungle sometimes and I rarely play J4 top anymore, sooooo I guess it's fine? What is the problem with J4 top? Too many bad matchups? He is one of my favorite champs to play but I hate jungling so I would love to make him work top. At my elo it probably doesn't matter, but I am curious anyway. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Mogwai
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warscythes
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I recall Smash used to favor a mid-tier item build for Jarvan where he would build strong mid tier items. Aka wriggles/phage/aegis/hexdrinker/boots/Atmas/Brut/hog(? Not that sure on this one) in no particular order. Phage can be upgraded to either triforce or mallet depending on the situation and brut can be upgraded to ghostblade but hexdrinker has no build path. With the new patch hexdrinker can now be build into MoM which is a decent late game tanky dps item. I wonder if the new item would be a stable on a more dps Jarvan builds if the patch hits. Of course it has to be compared against brut into ghostblade or would they have their uses depending on the situation? | ||
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Mogwai
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