[Champion] Jarman the Fourth (aka Jarvan ok) - Page 28

On January 17 2012 12:58 getpicture wrote:
there jarvan got a buff which solves his mana problems a bit. the truth is barely anyone at riot games cares about jarvan because they dont play him. their focus is only tier 1 champs and only balancing it around that. despite kennen and rumble being strong and hard counters to poor play, the only champ to further.nerf is Ahri.

you will see in the coming months ahri will be further nerfed again and again as how xin zhao got repeatedly nerfed because noobs in solo queued complained about ganks.

a lot of the designers at riot games who develop their own champs would prefer their own designed champ to be not touched and balanced by others. this is out of respect because they believe that designers understand their heroes best and their core mechanics. this is obviously wrong. think about the ppl who designed chess/ any other game/sport.plenty of players outplay their creators. just because a person designed it, doesn't mean they understand balance at the highest levels. some new champions are being developed by the new graduates/employees(rotation work) to test their hand at game design- viktor/swain(reused) to give them the experience because they have nothing in their work portfolio.

anyways this is the last jarvan buff we will see. not every champ is designed for competitive/viable play. some are just for laughs/trollage to cause pain for opponents in solo queue. not saying jarvan is troll, but he fulfills a niche.

On January 17 2012 13:44 Mogwai wrote:
i just disagree that mana was a glaring weakness for jarman. there were times I was sad due to mana issues, but they've tended to be fairly rare and thus, while I'm sure I'll have a lot more gas in the tank to cast spells now, I don't think that was really much of an issue for jarmang.

I agree that the numbers are pretty large and thus pretty significant at addressing mana issues, I just contest that mana issues were a big deal for him.

On January 17 2012 12:58 getpicture wrote:
there jarvan got a buff which solves his mana problems a bit. the truth is barely anyone at riot games cares about jarvan because they dont play him. their focus is only tier 1 champs and only balancing it around that. despite kennen and rumble being strong and hard counters to poor play, the only champ to further.nerf is Ahri.

you will see in the coming months ahri will be further nerfed again and again as how xin zhao got repeatedly nerfed because noobs in solo queued complained about ganks.

a lot of the designers at riot games who develop their own champs would prefer their own designed champ to be not touched and balanced by others. this is out of respect because they believe that designers understand their heroes best and their core mechanics. this is obviously wrong. think about the ppl who designed chess/ any other game/sport.plenty of players outplay their creators. just because a person designed it, doesn't mean they understand balance at the highest levels. some new champions are being developed by the new graduates/employees(rotation work) to test their hand at game design- viktor/swain(reused) to give them the experience because they have nothing in their work portfolio. **

anyways this is the last jarvan buff we will see. not every champ is designed for competitive/viable play. some are just for laughs/trollage to cause pain for opponents in solo queue. not saying jarvan is troll, but he fulfills a niche.

On January 17 2012 14:11 barbsq wrote:


**citation needed. where have they ever said any of those things?

On January 17 2012 13:48 warscythes wrote:


Fair enough.

By the way I wish you would record your streams a bit more often, I liked the VODs that you remembered to save.

On January 17 2012 17:07 Mogwai wrote:

i have a bunch of recordings sitting here waiting for me to post them to own3d, I'm just lazy about it. twitch automatically saves streams though, so that's nice.

here's a vod with 2 jarman games:
http://www.own3d.tv/SmashGizmo#/watch/396205

at 1:07:30ish is the teamfight with probably my best peeling via ult ever.

On January 31 2012 11:24 Jaso wrote:
So I played a ranked game at ~1450 elo today as Jarvan vs Rumble. Basically started null-magic mantle and bought a ton of HP pots while going HoG -> Philo -> Wriggle/Mercs. Oddly even though he was really strong about 15-20 minutes in I was doing huge damage to him and pretty much won the lane.

I thought Rumble was a better top lane than Jarvan - was this guy just really bad?
Also, is 2 gp5s a good idea, or would it be wiser to just go into Warmogs or something?

On January 31 2012 00:02 Mogwai wrote:
It's pretty much a free farm lane for both of them. It's really hard to kill cho after level 6, but since jarman can AoE clear almost as well as cho can, cho can't just push him onto his tower and destroy him the way he does to a lot of other champs. Cho probably has the post-6 edge in the lane, but it's pretty marginal and the lane is usually a draw or is decided by the jangler.

On January 31 2012 00:02 Mogwai wrote:
It's pretty much a free farm lane for both of them. It's really hard to kill cho after level 6, but since jarman can AoE clear almost as well as cho can, cho can't just push him onto his tower and destroy him the way he does to a lot of other champs. Cho probably has the post-6 edge in the lane, but it's pretty marginal and the lane is usually a draw or is decided by the jangler.

On February 04 2012 18:51 Owned Noob wrote:
who does jarvan lose to in lane? im seriously hard pressed to find an answer because even if you cant just fucking kill them, you just cs because your spells are retardly good at that too.