On October 06 2011 02:04 Mogwai wrote:
Well, the plus side of it on shen is that even with just warmog's you're quite capable of trucking people because of how it works out with your passive. So it's not like on most characters where you get warmog's and have this giant lapse in your offensive power while you build an atma's. I dunno, you don't really need to do anything in a specific order on shen, best to like, just go HoG and then play it by ear I guess. Warmog's if you can farm it up fast enough, otherwise phage/aegis/sunfire to give you immediate power and then later transition to the mog's or even just say fuck that and get mallet instead.

you end up not capable of trucking people at all, actually. with a fully charged warmog you're looking at like an extra what, 110 damage on ki strike? lame. shen's burst with no AP in lategame is around 400 damage. that's just dreadful.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

October 05 2011 19:38 GMT

#143

and with like 700 AP, it's around 800-900, whoop de fucking do, still useless. atmog's lets you do consistent damage and use your shadow dash on every CD.

-Kato-

Spain1146 Posts

December 26 2011 13:40 GMT

#144

Expected buffs in Viktor patch:

Vorpal Blade
Energy cost changed to 60 from 70/65/60/55/50
Healing effect reduced to 10/16/22/28/34 from 18/26/34/42/50
Healing effect now also heals for 2% of attacker's maximum health per hit
Shen gets the heal if he last hits with Vorpal Blade
Single target damaging spells can now also trigger Vorpal Blade instead of just attacks

Feint
Feint now grants 20/25/30/35/40 Armor while it's active
Feint duration increased to 3 from 2.5
Cost increased to 50 from 45

Shadow Dash
Cooldown changed to 11-9 from 10
Energy cost reduced to 100 from 120-100
Taunt Duration increased to 1/1.3/1.6/1.9/2.2 from 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2
Restores 40 Energy per champion affected, from 50 Energy if you affect one

Ki Strike
Bonus Damage from Health increased to 12% from 8%
Cooldown is now reduced by 0.5 seconds for minion hits in addition to 2 seconds for champion hits

Is no one else really excited about these buffs? Nowadays I'm able to get 1 or 2 kills top but fall off really hard. Going tanky makes u pretty ignorable and building damage makes you rally squishy. But with these buffs I can see a new Shen-era.

RogerX

New Zealand3180 Posts

December 26 2011 13:48 GMT

#145

Expected buffs? Where'd you get this?

-Kato-

Spain1146 Posts

December 26 2011 13:53 GMT

#146

On December 26 2011 22:48 RogerX wrote:
Expected buffs? Where'd you get this?

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1609467

Alaric

France45622 Posts

December 26 2011 14:00 GMT

#147

Sounds like it'd still be hard to get kills, doesn't it? I mean doesn't Shen lack cc and chasing power to finish off someone? I can see you harassing the enemy with vorpal blade, but the cd on shadow dash is such that I don't see you kill somebody except if they were overly careless in how low they let you get them.

Shauni

4077 Posts

December 26 2011 17:46 GMT

#148

On December 26 2011 23:00 Alaric wrote:
Sounds like it'd still be hard to get kills, doesn't it? I mean doesn't Shen lack cc and chasing power to finish off someone? I can see you harassing the enemy with vorpal blade, but the cd on shadow dash is such that I don't see you kill somebody except if they were overly careless in how low they let you get them.

But with such potentially strong range harass and sustain, even if you don't kill your opponent you should definitely out-sustain quite a few top laners. That you get heal from lasthitting is quite a big thing...

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

December 26 2011 20:09 GMT

#149

I doubt all those buffs will go through. If they all go through it'll be an overbuff imo. Shen's kinda weak atm, but he's definitely not bad. Riot needs to be careful about buffing him or he'll go over the top.

RogerX

New Zealand3180 Posts

December 27 2011 11:21 GMT

#150

How was Shen post nerf actually? Your opinions and stats please

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

December 27 2011 15:58 GMT

#151

Shen is like, terrible atm, I don't know how you can say otherwise...

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

December 27 2011 16:34 GMT

#152

Iunno I personally don't think he's very good right now but some people have said he does okay in a few top lane matchups cause q harass is strong. Other than that he's got nothing going for him really.

Psycho{Szerano

49 Posts

December 27 2011 17:05 GMT

#153

Omg really? They are going to overbuff shen -_- and for those who say he doesn't have any reliable cc your just wrong, I played shen not even a few months and I mastered him, almost every game I would get kills early to mid game then round out to assists late game, rarely going over 5 deaths. The key to shen was getting frozen mallet for the best cc in the game and landing your taunt which was super easy if you got boots of swiftness and grabbed cloak and dagger to ease your farming problems and so you can ignore most cc effects on yourself.

Now it looks like I'll be getting more kills then normal due to his passive being greatly increased, taunt being super strong and feint being godly...

P.S. anyone who would like for me to explain piece by piece how to master shen, I'd be glad to explain it.

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

December 27 2011 17:49 GMT

#154

swifties and cloak and dagger omg why didnt i think of that

is phantom dancer the last item to round out your build

GARO

United States2255 Posts

December 27 2011 17:57 GMT

#155

On December 28 2011 02:49 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
is phantom dancer the last item to round out your build

obv shen needs to be the fastest player on the team so he can KILL KILL KILL KILL

Psycho{Szerano

49 Posts

December 27 2011 21:34 GMT

#156

On December 28 2011 02:57 GARO wrote:

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obv shen needs to be the fastest player on the team so he can KILL KILL KILL KILL

No, obviously you haven't played shen with cloak and dagger before, he doesn't need to attack faster then that, well I guess I saw this coming seeing as majority of shen players just demand buffs and ignore anyone who has a solution that works, even if it's super specific. And shen doesn't kill with attack speed, he kills with his Ki strike, but then again I don't expect you to have played him more then 5 times, so I'm wasting my time with you.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

December 27 2011 23:09 GMT

#157

On December 28 2011 06:34 Psycho{Szerano wrote:

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Before you act all high and mighty do you mind tellig us ur ign, server, and elo? I don't think I've ever seen you on these boards before...
Your build seems suboptimal. Frozen mallet is good, I see no problem with that. But c&d is pretty bad seeing how you don't need aspd or crit to do dmg with Shen. You said ur self Shen does dps through ki strike, which does not scale with ur aspd at all.

Aukai

United States1183 Posts

December 27 2011 23:19 GMT

#158

It's...
A...
Troll.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

December 27 2011 23:25 GMT

#159

On December 28 2011 08:19 Aukai wrote:
It's...
A...
Troll.

Probably but I'll give him a chance first. I checked his posting history and as of April 2011 he was only summoner lvl 13. So he's prolly an over zealous nub but I'm more than willing to see what he has to say.

PhuxPro

United States294 Posts

December 27 2011 23:40 GMT

#160

On December 28 2011 08:19 Aukai wrote:
It's...
A...
Troll.

Check his absolutely friendly and legit post history that does not harbor any sort of "trolling." (not even being sarcastic).
Honestly people use that word too much to make conflicts on their side seem calm and collected.

Just because someone has an idea that's out of touch with the main deal doesn't mean he's out to piss you all off. So pleeease just take a second to consider his ideas.