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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
The thing I don't like about it is a no ward start. Do the DRing advocates here generally start with pots or a ward? I love the Zeus build. I try to stay clear of top lane, but when I do get stuck with it GP feels almost like a failsafe. Nearly impossible to get murdered in lane with a really solid midgame power spike. | ||
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Mauzel
United States421 Posts
Go ward when: it's a lane where I have an advantage and I'm going to try to zone the guy / their jungler is a scary ganker and our jungler has less presence Go pots when: If it's a lane where I'm going to be zoned / the opponent is probably going to push and I'm going to be forced to farm under tower. You don't necessarily need the regen from the pots thanks to max-W. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
Had a game last night where I got ganked early and fell behind a Wukong. No worries, max W and safely farm. Died once but got into midgame with my turret intact and a 15 cs deficit (but 1 kill and assist). Start to gain back lane presence once shiv and wits get built. I start pushing the lane, roam around and get a few kills in their jungle, throw ultis around the map. All of a sudden I'm 4-1-6 with a 30 CS lead over Wukong. Then my team starts getting caught, baiting in more members and giving up objectives. Baron and an inhib go down and suddenly I get asked if I'm trolling. "WTF is that build?" All chat starts hearing about "this troll gp." Team chat starts hearing "You're not a diamond korean bro!" In the end we get a teamfight right. I bait their initiation onto me and charge into the backlines, killing their AP carry and zoning their jungler and AD carry singlehandedly. I die, but my team cleans up the fight and rushes the nexus. The 15-9-6 Jayce (who started the rot by getting caught twice) picked up a triple kill, and proudly proclaims how he "carried" this troll 8-4-14 GP. | ||
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Mauzel
United States421 Posts
Difficult lanes: Renekton, Jax, Wukong, Darius, Riven Meh Lanes: Kennen, Elise, Kennen Easy lanes (1-6 at least): Singed, Nidalee, Udyr, Rice farmers (cho, shen, vlad, etc.) Difficult -> defintely get pots Meh -> depends on junglers Easy lanes -> probably get wards. depends on opponent jungler | ||
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 08 2013 10:50 Complete wrote: does oranges remove darius passive stacks? oranges only removes cc it's like cleanse except it also works on suppressions | ||
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DrunkenOne
United States302 Posts
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Nick!
Scotland701 Posts
In regards to the ''Zeus'' start that is, Gp is probably one of the best champions to have a flask | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
RNG is pretty hilarious but a slow anywhere on the map is really strong. | ||
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DrunkenOne
United States302 Posts
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
Shiv+Trinity, while you do good damage, you are still very squishy I think new phage (haven't tested myself) can be good if you are ahead against certain champs that you really need to stick on to Although even with the changes, I feel IBG would be a better choice than trinity if you are against ad top Still giants belt after shiv seems more safe and stable choice Once you get your shiv+giants belt+wits end put together, you'll beat anyone top lane as long as you are pretty even | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
I still feel like in most matchups if you don't get ahead early, you need to counterbuild defensively before you can finish your shiv/wits core. There's just too long of a period (levels 3-8) where you can be bullied off CS hard and fall behind. I've had the most problems with tanky champs who can outtrade you then sustain through any damage you do pre on-hit item(s). I had a Shen who absolutely murdered me yesterday. I maintained relevance but I couldn't stop him becoming a monster, flying around the map snowballing the rest of the match. He had some jungle help (and I didn't) but once he got a few tanky items he wasn't concerned with my damage in the slightest. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
though sheen rush nidalee is just really hard to play against. Those auto + transform + cougar Q with sheen proc wtf. | ||
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chinstrap
United Kingdom253 Posts
I like. I like a lot. I was somewhat pessimistic when I was sat on boots, shiv and a giants belt wondering what wits would really do to help. The dmg spike was WAY bigger than i expected. Also the orange baits can be so hilarious. TF ults in to dive turret when you are on 50% hp? Good fucking luck TF Edit: So I am clearly inexperienced with this build. Do people play it mainly top or mid? Any matchups I should specifically avoid? I imagine its is still a risky early pick. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On August 24 2013 00:54 chinstrap wrote: Well I gave this Korean Zeus GP build a try. I like. I like a lot. I was somewhat pessimistic when I was sat on boots, shiv and a giants belt wondering what wits would really do to help. The dmg spike was WAY bigger than i expected. Also the orange baits can be so hilarious. TF ults in to dive turret when you are on 50% hp? Good fucking luck TF Edit: So I am clearly inexperienced with this build. Do people play it mainly top or mid? Any matchups I should specifically avoid? I imagine its is still a risky early pick. One of the points of it is that it's a very safe pick that is harder to counter than most top picks. | ||
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
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DrunkenOne
United States302 Posts
GP = Rodney Dangerfield More on topic, I'm still taking iceborne over triforce, even after the triforce buff. Rushing an early shroud is great vs a lot of ad lanes which makes the build path for gauntlet much more attractive. You can sit on the shroud while you get shiv/wits and only build it into gauntlet later. I guess vs double/triple ap a triforce might make more sense since the armor on the gauntlet isn't as necessary early. | ||
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