EPTObviously it is a third/4th buy, doesn´t have anything to do with the lane.
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unjugon
Spain119 Posts
Obviously it is a third/4th buy, doesn´t have anything to do with the lane. | ||
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
Liandry's cost 2900 gold and spending that much gold JUST for your ulti seems ridiculous You can buy a Frozen Heart, Randuins, Spirit Visage, Warmogs, Ghostblade or Last Whisper If you pay a bit more, you can get Hydra's (3300), BoRK (3200) or even a Trinity (3628, ok so this one is quite bit more expensive) | ||
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unjugon
Spain119 Posts
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Mauzel
United States421 Posts
and FH is anti-AD carry and SV is great with your W So I would get FH and/or SV instead of Liandries if I wanted my ult to be more impactful. Does Liandries proc from your passive? Apparently it doesn't  Yeah I would not get Liandries on GP it is too inefficient. It's not even like his ult is so essential to his kit. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
Pros: Can do upwards of 1,500 extra damage with your ult Can do equal or more damage with your Q because of the slow from your passive The magic pen synergizes with your passive, ult, wit's end and its own passive 50 more health from your W 300 more health Cons: Weak split pushing Performs poorly in duels, making it harder to dive carries in team fights If you're going wit's end, defensive item, liandry's, you'll only have 5% crit chance from your masteries Does nothing for your autos outside of the magic pen Your Q will do more damage with shivv if against multiple opponents/opponents aren't near max health Relies heavily on getting off a great ult | ||
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
Get off a great ult, you get good results Your ult goes poorly, well, then 2900 gold goes down the drain Outside of your ult, the stats that liandry gives hardly adds to gp's strength Any of the items I listed above will consistently give out good results depending on which item you buy for the enemy team They all give helpful stats that adds to GP as a melee champ without gap closers or magic damage spells (other than ult) Not to mention aura/teamfight items (Frozen Heart, IBG, etc which benefits the team as well. Liandry's doesn't add to your teamfight presence (outside of ult), as you are less tanky, have less utility, and do less damage And I don't agree that even with a well placed GP Ult, Liandry's would outperform any of those items Maybe if the enemy team stacks a lot of health or something | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
Like, go the fuck ahead, and stay bronze 5 for the rest of your life with builds like that lol | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On September 12 2013 08:35 unjugon wrote: I say the same I said in the post above. Who is to say any of those items will help your team more than a Liandry´s? Your ult is used normally at the start of a fight -used for initiation or not-, and that amplifies the damage quite a bit. It´s the same as using it for saving a tower. Would any of those items help you there as much? I am not sure it is clear at all. Obviously, at the start of a fight, well placed, Liandry´s will outperform any and all of those items. Are you playing against retards as well or are you the only one in the games you play? Seriously though are you trolling or just dumb? You want to spend 2900 on an item so that you can clear towers better with your ult every 2 minutes? | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
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unjugon
Spain119 Posts
Like, go the fuck ahead, and stay bronze 5 for the rest of your life with builds like that lol Are you playing against retards as well or are you the only one in the games you play? Seriously though are you trolling or just dumb? You want to spend 2900 on an item so that you can clear towers better with your ult every 2 minutes? Please may you stop it with the insults? As said, I am gold 1 EUW with ******* GP support, so up to at least platinum, all leagues are no better than bronze. You don´t clear towers, you save them by forcing enemies away. This kind of utility can offer the team more than other more specialized dps/tanky items, especially for GP since he is a master of no trades. Chill :D I'm diamond 1 and have actually tried magic pen gp. Yes it sucks, but on paper I too, thought it could work. GP is honestly still in a very bad spot right now, almost everything he does champs like zed will do 10 times better. The "korean build" isn't honestly that good and I've never managed to make it work at high elo (yeah on the smurf it works...). There's a reason he's never picked in pro games. Well put, boggles the mind that people think that Korean build will somehow make GP work. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
You're spending 2900 on Liandry's when you only have one spell that does magic damage on a 2 minute cooldown | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
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unjugon
Spain119 Posts
All variations of dps GP are destined to fail over the long haul, from my experience. This is not to say that tanky GP is good, I have only managed to get consistent results as support where you rely on having another strong top/mid instead of yourself. The Liandry´s isn´t "good", but I don´t believe it is worse than other items listed -for GP-, in many circumstances. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On September 12 2013 18:55 unjugon wrote: I haven´t tried it, I know it won´t work. Rouaf has tried it and it didn´t really work. All variations of dps GP are destined to fail over the long haul, from my experience. This is not to say that tanky GP is good, I have only managed to get consistent results as support where you rely on having another strong top/mid instead of yourself. The Liandry´s isn´t "good", but I don´t believe it is worse than other items listed -for GP-, in many circumstances. You haven't tried it and know it won't work, despite better players than you having played it with success...? | ||
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unjugon
Spain119 Posts
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Mauzel
United States421 Posts
Liandries IS worse than other items listed for GP in the majority of circumstances! These circumstances are the 103 out of 110 seconds that your ultimate is not being used. Furthermore, the concept of relying on GP's ult, the most unreliable ult in the game, is just silly. Also, some posts above yours have a high player for which it didn't work. In fact, no high rated player has made Liandries work on GP. But there exists high rated players that make Zeus build work on GP, including the original creator of the guide who is Diamond 1 in Korea. And finally, just because GP is not in a great place right now does not mean that 1) He does not have optimal build orders 2) Building optimally will not help you 3) I might as well just build Liandries cause ult | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
On September 13 2013 00:08 Mauzel wrote: [...] But there exists high rated players that make Zeus build work on GP, including the original creator of the guide who is Diamond 1 in Korea. Won't argue with the rest, but about this:, I'm not sure the creator of this build was diamond 1 in korea, all the data we had was a post mentioning he was diamond if I remember correctly. Seeing is believing, until I see this build work at high level (and I'd honestly prefer a pro game) I'll assume it doesn't. As for me I played quite a lot of gp and haven't had any success with it (ofc that doesn't prove anything and it could just be that it doesn't fit my play-style). | ||
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Mauzel
United States421 Posts
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
On September 13 2013 00:32 RouaF wrote: Won't argue with the rest, but about this:, I'm not sure the creator of this build was diamond 1 in korea, all the data we had was a post mentioning he was diamond if I remember correctly. Seeing is believing, until I see this build work at high level (and I'd honestly prefer a pro game) I'll assume it doesn't. As for me I played quite a lot of gp and haven't had any success with it (ofc that doesn't prove anything and it could just be that it doesn't fit my play-style). Some part of the reason why it works obviously is that no one is used to Gangplank anymore in SoloQ. Frankly I've had successes with Zeus build, but at least 60% of that is that no one really knows what the hell they should do to stop me (that being don't dive risky dives early even if it might look tempting). If you look at his kit in all honesty, he is pretty weak compared to many other top laners. His ult esp. is hit and miss far too often (I've had someone run through the entire length of it without getting hit by a single cannonball). His Q might be nice, but pantheons Q is nicer. His heal (and cleanse) is great for lane sustain and baiting, but simply put he doesn't deal enough damage for most short teamfights (and they are pretty short). Voyboy played Gangplank in an aram at some point during the summer and he summed it up pretty concisely why he doesn't play the char: 1) No skills to "outplay" the opponent with (skillshots, movement abilities etc.) which means his kit is on the weaker side of things (according to him skillshots do slightly more damage to make up for the fact that you have to hit them). 2) Nothing in his kit screams "My team needs this" 3) Nothing in his kit says: This skill makes me a lane bully. If a char doesn't have at least one of those 3 you won't see a pro playing him. So be prepared for a long wait if you truly want to see any build tested in a LCS level game. If you are in a random soloq game and you are up against a top laner which doesn't have Vladimir level of sustain you might give him a whirl and be surprised how effective he can be, but most pros want something more  | ||
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unjugon
Spain119 Posts
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