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After 30 games as koreanplank, I find that I skip wits end about 3/4 of the time, unless against an AP top where I will rush it instead of shiv, a very easy top/someone I am dominating and don't need a defensive item, or there is a long laning phase where I can get a ton of farm. If I am against a tough AD like say lee or darius or riven and am forced to rush a glacial shroud, it becomes almost impossible to get both a shiv and wits before laning phase ends. And after laning ends and people are grouping for objectives, its more valuable imo to upgrade the glacial to an IBG for more poke damage in sieges and better utility instead of sightly more AA damage. A parley with shiv proc + IBG proc does huge damage to squishies. After that, I need health due to GPs terrible health scaling so I get a SV or randuins (usually SV unless they are almost all AD).
The relatively fast IBG also synergizes really well with koreanplanks excellent baiting playstyle, if you can bait people to engage on you midlane/dragon you can just W out of CC, Q them for AOE slow, ult yourself, E steroid your team, run away while they are slowed from ult and Q and getting wrecked, then Q someone low health for the double proc burst.
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How you guys open koreanplank vs teemo? I tried opening dshield+1 health pot but got creamed in lane by teemo. I was able to carry later due to not getting enough gold to even do much of the koreanplank build and subed into bork sunfire cape and building Trinity Force before game ended. Thanks!
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On October 12 2013 10:03 LightningStrike wrote:
How you guys open koreanplank vs teemo? I tried opening dshield+1 health pot but got creamed in lane by teemo. I was able to carry later due to not getting enough gold to even do much of the koreanplank build and subed into bork sunfire cape and building Trinity Force before game ended. Thanks!
It simple, you open Fort pot and hope you kill him level 1, and then atleast 2-3 times again before 6 or you autolose lane and you should just rice hard.
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On October 12 2013 10:03 LightningStrike wrote:
How you guys open koreanplank vs teemo? I tried opening dshield+1 health pot but got creamed in lane by teemo. I was able to carry later due to not getting enough gold to even do much of the koreanplank build and subed into bork sunfire cape and building Trinity Force before game ended. Thanks!
I'm not sure, but I feel like flask is a better first item than dshield
flash + 4pot = 360+450 health whereas dorans+hpot is 100 hp + 1hp/s + 150 health
Other than that we'd have to see the replay.
I played Kayle vs GP yesterday. GP is a huge lane bully when using Q to harass. For GP the vs Kayle and vs Teemo matchup are basically the same except Kayle slows 1-5.
GP wasn't losing lane. If you get a sheen your Q = the damage from Teemo's Q+E but if you take more autos in that trade it's not worth it. Also GP has a better cd? 5s to 8 second. You should make use of that by shooting more Q's than Teemo does. Use the brush to not take more than one auto from Teemo per trade.
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Just played a game of GP vs Shen. I tried to fight him level 1 when he was leaving blue because I remembered people saying GP has a great level 1. I did win with 2 q's and an extra auto, but then later on he kept beating me by throwing Qs at me and predicting my Qs. Anyways it started getting better and I could just farm and sustain his Q's when I started finally getting more points in W, being safe not to get taunted when my W was down.
Ended up getting carried. I feel like GP gets countered by Shen. Shen's W lets him harass you down while taking less damage than you and if you constantly eat oranges you make yourself vulnerable to a taunt.
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On November 01 2013 10:32 obesechicken13 wrote:
Just played a game of GP vs Shen. I tried to fight him level 1 when he was leaving blue because I remembered people saying GP has a great level 1. I did win with 2 q's and an extra auto, but then later on he kept beating me by throwing Qs at me and predicting my Qs. Anyways it started getting better and I could just farm and sustain his Q's when I started finally getting more points in W, being safe not to get taunted when my W was down.
Ended up getting carried. I feel like GP gets countered by Shen. Shen's W lets him harass you down while taking less damage than you and if you constantly eat oranges you make yourself vulnerable to a taunt.
I wouldn't say Shen counters you. I'd say he a rough matchup, but he really has no offensive potential on you. He cannot stop you from going farm mode what so ever.
You basically have two real choices:
1) all in super early. Either level 1 in River brush, autoQauto into as long a trade as possible, if you ignite they pretty much have to go back, or at level two with an E from lane brush (to not telegraph the "Hey, i'ma all in you now!") into a autoQauto ignite.
Thing with this is, you wont kill him. You definitely wont kill him. You will likely get him to back though, which is huuge this early.
2) Go full rice mode. Can straight up just buy like a giants belt+Avarice blade and ignore him because uinless he started like 40 AD or something he'll never burn through a giants belt and Wmax. Ever.
Other thing that hard to odo,but true, GP isn't a "trade"-y champ anymore. You rarely win trades with just Q's because of dem nerfs (Q nerfs, base AD nerfs, AD scaling nerfs, etc). His passive is really strong though, you usually win long extended fights on even footings. Its weird, I know, but it is true. Takes some getting used to. Sometimes its better to use you mana to last hit with Q safely, and then you dont need to use W as frequently because they can't really zone you and you aren't in line of fire as often.
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On November 01 2013 11:46 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 10:32 obesechicken13 wrote:
Just played a game of GP vs Shen. I tried to fight him level 1 when he was leaving blue because I remembered people saying GP has a great level 1. I did win with 2 q's and an extra auto, but then later on he kept beating me by throwing Qs at me and predicting my Qs. Anyways it started getting better and I could just farm and sustain his Q's when I started finally getting more points in W, being safe not to get taunted when my W was down.
Ended up getting carried. I feel like GP gets countered by Shen. Shen's W lets him harass you down while taking less damage than you and if you constantly eat oranges you make yourself vulnerable to a taunt. I wouldn't say Shen counters you. I'd say he a rough matchup, but he really has no offensive potential on you. He cannot stop you from going farm mode what so ever. You basically have two real choices: 1) all in super early. Either level 1 in River brush, autoQauto into as long a trade as possible, if you ignite they pretty much have to go back, or at level two with an E from lane brush (to not telegraph the "Hey, i'ma all in you now!") into a autoQauto ignite. Thing with this is, you wont kill him. You definitely wont kill him. You will likely get him to back though, which is huuge this early. 2) Go full rice mode. Can straight up just buy like a giants belt+Avarice blade and ignore him because uinless he started like 40 AD or something he'll never burn through a giants belt and Wmax. Ever. Other thing that hard to odo,but true, GP isn't a "trade"-y champ anymore. You rarely win trades with just Q's because of dem nerfs (Q nerfs, base AD nerfs, AD scaling nerfs, etc). His passive is really strong though, you usually win long extended fights on even footings. Its weird, I know, but it is true. Takes some getting used to. Sometimes its better to use you mana to last hit with Q safely, and then you dont need to use W as frequently because they can't really zone you and you aren't in line of fire as often.
So my all in didn't work and I sure as hell wasn't going to fight him in his creeps at level 2. I guess my only option was full rice mode.
The strange thing is, I've been on the Shen side of things too and it's a hard matchup from there if he just spams Q with a sheen. GP doesn't feel like he has mana problems and any time you can bait a shield, you get a free Q. It takes a while but it adds up. I must just suck.
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Against tanks theres just no point in trying to kill past the first five minutes of the game. That's not why you pick Gangplank anyway. You pick Gangplank to help win the other lanes and to be a pain in the ass in the mid/late game teamfights.
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On November 01 2013 18:19 Osmoses wrote:
Against tanks theres just no point in trying to kill past the first five minutes of the game. That's not why you pick Gangplank anyway. You pick Gangplank to help win the other lanes and to be a pain in the ass in the mid/late game teamfights.
It was a normals, but assuming you're calling roles in ranked, and your opponents all know how to counterpick too, about half the time you'll be in an unfavorable matchup and should learn to deal with them either by swapping lanes if it's a ridiculous lane, or doing damage control.
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On November 01 2013 11:46 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 10:32 obesechicken13 wrote:
Just played a game of GP vs Shen. I tried to fight him level 1 when he was leaving blue because I remembered people saying GP has a great level 1. I did win with 2 q's and an extra auto, but then later on he kept beating me by throwing Qs at me and predicting my Qs. Anyways it started getting better and I could just farm and sustain his Q's when I started finally getting more points in W, being safe not to get taunted when my W was down.
Ended up getting carried. I feel like GP gets countered by Shen. Shen's W lets him harass you down while taking less damage than you and if you constantly eat oranges you make yourself vulnerable to a taunt. I wouldn't say Shen counters you. I'd say he a rough matchup, but he really has no offensive potential on you. He cannot stop you from going farm mode what so ever. You basically have two real choices: 1) all in super early. Either level 1 in River brush, autoQauto into as long a trade as possible, if you ignite they pretty much have to go back, or at level two with an E from lane brush (to not telegraph the "Hey, i'ma all in you now!") into a autoQauto ignite. Thing with this is, you wont kill him. You definitely wont kill him. You will likely get him to back though, which is huuge this early.
Disagree with that. GP can solo kill almost anybody w/o an escape. If you're against Shen and you're starting redpot you will most likely kill him if you catch him going through river. 3stack passive slow lets you get off a couple extra autos.
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mmm, not unless he messes up or stops to attack you. auto q auto takes a while and puts some space between you, even with 21% slow. a flash to get closer to tower usually makes them safe, even if you flash after them. Depends where you catch them, I suppose.
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On November 02 2013 05:13 Mauzel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 11:46 iCanada wrote:On November 01 2013 10:32 obesechicken13 wrote:
Just played a game of GP vs Shen. I tried to fight him level 1 when he was leaving blue because I remembered people saying GP has a great level 1. I did win with 2 q's and an extra auto, but then later on he kept beating me by throwing Qs at me and predicting my Qs. Anyways it started getting better and I could just farm and sustain his Q's when I started finally getting more points in W, being safe not to get taunted when my W was down.
Ended up getting carried. I feel like GP gets countered by Shen. Shen's W lets him harass you down while taking less damage than you and if you constantly eat oranges you make yourself vulnerable to a taunt. I wouldn't say Shen counters you. I'd say he a rough matchup, but he really has no offensive potential on you. He cannot stop you from going farm mode what so ever. You basically have two real choices: 1) all in super early. Either level 1 in River brush, autoQauto into as long a trade as possible, if you ignite they pretty much have to go back, or at level two with an E from lane brush (to not telegraph the "Hey, i'ma all in you now!") into a autoQauto ignite. Thing with this is, you wont kill him. You definitely wont kill him. You will likely get him to back though, which is huuge this early. Disagree with that. GP can solo kill almost anybody w/o an escape. If you're against Shen and you're starting redpot you will most likely kill him if you catch him going through river. 3stack passive slow lets you get off a couple extra autos.
Shen has an escape. He also has flash.
What kind of player goes to lane with skills already skilled?
o.o
If I'm playing Shen, i'd be walking from leashing with no skill, would pres CTRL+E and escape. No way you kill him.
Even if he doesn't do that, I dont think following flash against a Shen a smart move unless he guaranteed dead anyway, would rather just take him using his summoner, keep my flash and have that boon in my backpocket for later. A good jungler that knows GP has no flash against a Shen will kill you.
Good players knowing you dont have flash means your life sucks.
On November 01 2013 12:15 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 11:46 iCanada wrote:On November 01 2013 10:32 obesechicken13 wrote:
Just played a game of GP vs Shen. I tried to fight him level 1 when he was leaving blue because I remembered people saying GP has a great level 1. I did win with 2 q's and an extra auto, but then later on he kept beating me by throwing Qs at me and predicting my Qs. Anyways it started getting better and I could just farm and sustain his Q's when I started finally getting more points in W, being safe not to get taunted when my W was down.
Ended up getting carried. I feel like GP gets countered by Shen. Shen's W lets him harass you down while taking less damage than you and if you constantly eat oranges you make yourself vulnerable to a taunt. I wouldn't say Shen counters you. I'd say he a rough matchup, but he really has no offensive potential on you. He cannot stop you from going farm mode what so ever. You basically have two real choices: 1) all in super early. Either level 1 in River brush, autoQauto into as long a trade as possible, if you ignite they pretty much have to go back, or at level two with an E from lane brush (to not telegraph the "Hey, i'ma all in you now!") into a autoQauto ignite. Thing with this is, you wont kill him. You definitely wont kill him. You will likely get him to back though, which is huuge this early. 2) Go full rice mode. Can straight up just buy like a giants belt+Avarice blade and ignore him because uinless he started like 40 AD or something he'll never burn through a giants belt and Wmax. Ever. Other thing that hard to odo,but true, GP isn't a "trade"-y champ anymore. You rarely win trades with just Q's because of dem nerfs (Q nerfs, base AD nerfs, AD scaling nerfs, etc). His passive is really strong though, you usually win long extended fights on even footings. Its weird, I know, but it is true. Takes some getting used to. Sometimes its better to use you mana to last hit with Q safely, and then you dont need to use W as frequently because they can't really zone you and you aren't in line of fire as often. So my all in didn't work and I sure as hell wasn't going to fight him in his creeps at level 2. I guess my only option was full rice mode. The strange thing is, I've been on the Shen side of things too and it's a hard matchup from there if he just spams Q with a sheen. GP doesn't feel like he has mana problems and any time you can bait a shield, you get a free Q. It takes a while but it adds up. I must just suck.
Out of curiosity, how did you all in him in the River?
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On November 02 2013 09:27 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 05:13 Mauzel wrote:On November 01 2013 11:46 iCanada wrote:On November 01 2013 10:32 obesechicken13 wrote:
Just played a game of GP vs Shen. I tried to fight him level 1 when he was leaving blue because I remembered people saying GP has a great level 1. I did win with 2 q's and an extra auto, but then later on he kept beating me by throwing Qs at me and predicting my Qs. Anyways it started getting better and I could just farm and sustain his Q's when I started finally getting more points in W, being safe not to get taunted when my W was down.
Ended up getting carried. I feel like GP gets countered by Shen. Shen's W lets him harass you down while taking less damage than you and if you constantly eat oranges you make yourself vulnerable to a taunt. I wouldn't say Shen counters you. I'd say he a rough matchup, but he really has no offensive potential on you. He cannot stop you from going farm mode what so ever. You basically have two real choices: 1) all in super early. Either level 1 in River brush, autoQauto into as long a trade as possible, if you ignite they pretty much have to go back, or at level two with an E from lane brush (to not telegraph the "Hey, i'ma all in you now!") into a autoQauto ignite. Thing with this is, you wont kill him. You definitely wont kill him. You will likely get him to back though, which is huuge this early. Disagree with that. GP can solo kill almost anybody w/o an escape. If you're against Shen and you're starting redpot you will most likely kill him if you catch him going through river. 3stack passive slow lets you get off a couple extra autos. Shen has an escape. He also has flash. What kind of player goes to lane with skills already skilled? o.o If I'm playing Shen, i'd be walking from leashing with no skill, would pres CTRL+E and escape. No way you kill him. Even if he doesn't do that, I dont think following flash against a Shen a smart move unless he guaranteed dead anyway, would rather just take him using his summoner, keep my flash and have that boon in my backpocket for later. A good jungler that knows GP has no flash against a Shen will kill you. Good players knowing you dont have flash means your life sucks. Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 12:15 obesechicken13 wrote:On November 01 2013 11:46 iCanada wrote:On November 01 2013 10:32 obesechicken13 wrote:
Just played a game of GP vs Shen. I tried to fight him level 1 when he was leaving blue because I remembered people saying GP has a great level 1. I did win with 2 q's and an extra auto, but then later on he kept beating me by throwing Qs at me and predicting my Qs. Anyways it started getting better and I could just farm and sustain his Q's when I started finally getting more points in W, being safe not to get taunted when my W was down.
Ended up getting carried. I feel like GP gets countered by Shen. Shen's W lets him harass you down while taking less damage than you and if you constantly eat oranges you make yourself vulnerable to a taunt. I wouldn't say Shen counters you. I'd say he a rough matchup, but he really has no offensive potential on you. He cannot stop you from going farm mode what so ever. You basically have two real choices: 1) all in super early. Either level 1 in River brush, autoQauto into as long a trade as possible, if you ignite they pretty much have to go back, or at level two with an E from lane brush (to not telegraph the "Hey, i'ma all in you now!") into a autoQauto ignite. Thing with this is, you wont kill him. You definitely wont kill him. You will likely get him to back though, which is huuge this early. 2) Go full rice mode. Can straight up just buy like a giants belt+Avarice blade and ignore him because uinless he started like 40 AD or something he'll never burn through a giants belt and Wmax. Ever. Other thing that hard to odo,but true, GP isn't a "trade"-y champ anymore. You rarely win trades with just Q's because of dem nerfs (Q nerfs, base AD nerfs, AD scaling nerfs, etc). His passive is really strong though, you usually win long extended fights on even footings. Its weird, I know, but it is true. Takes some getting used to. Sometimes its better to use you mana to last hit with Q safely, and then you dont need to use W as frequently because they can't really zone you and you aren't in line of fire as often. So my all in didn't work and I sure as hell wasn't going to fight him in his creeps at level 2. I guess my only option was full rice mode. The strange thing is, I've been on the Shen side of things too and it's a hard matchup from there if he just spams Q with a sheen. GP doesn't feel like he has mana problems and any time you can bait a shield, you get a free Q. It takes a while but it adds up. I must just suck. Out of curiosity, how did you all in him in the River?
In my post above that I said I just kinda ran at him and shot Qs. I guess it's not an all in since I didn't really ignite or flash him, but I would have followed up if he hadn't ran away from me immediately after a Q auto.
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On November 02 2013 10:17 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 09:27 iCanada wrote:On November 02 2013 05:13 Mauzel wrote:On November 01 2013 11:46 iCanada wrote:On November 01 2013 10:32 obesechicken13 wrote:
Just played a game of GP vs Shen. I tried to fight him level 1 when he was leaving blue because I remembered people saying GP has a great level 1. I did win with 2 q's and an extra auto, but then later on he kept beating me by throwing Qs at me and predicting my Qs. Anyways it started getting better and I could just farm and sustain his Q's when I started finally getting more points in W, being safe not to get taunted when my W was down.
Ended up getting carried. I feel like GP gets countered by Shen. Shen's W lets him harass you down while taking less damage than you and if you constantly eat oranges you make yourself vulnerable to a taunt. I wouldn't say Shen counters you. I'd say he a rough matchup, but he really has no offensive potential on you. He cannot stop you from going farm mode what so ever. You basically have two real choices: 1) all in super early. Either level 1 in River brush, autoQauto into as long a trade as possible, if you ignite they pretty much have to go back, or at level two with an E from lane brush (to not telegraph the "Hey, i'ma all in you now!") into a autoQauto ignite. Thing with this is, you wont kill him. You definitely wont kill him. You will likely get him to back though, which is huuge this early. Disagree with that. GP can solo kill almost anybody w/o an escape. If you're against Shen and you're starting redpot you will most likely kill him if you catch him going through river. 3stack passive slow lets you get off a couple extra autos. Shen has an escape. He also has flash. What kind of player goes to lane with skills already skilled? o.o If I'm playing Shen, i'd be walking from leashing with no skill, would pres CTRL+E and escape. No way you kill him. Even if he doesn't do that, I dont think following flash against a Shen a smart move unless he guaranteed dead anyway, would rather just take him using his summoner, keep my flash and have that boon in my backpocket for later. A good jungler that knows GP has no flash against a Shen will kill you. Good players knowing you dont have flash means your life sucks. On November 01 2013 12:15 obesechicken13 wrote:On November 01 2013 11:46 iCanada wrote:On November 01 2013 10:32 obesechicken13 wrote:
Just played a game of GP vs Shen. I tried to fight him level 1 when he was leaving blue because I remembered people saying GP has a great level 1. I did win with 2 q's and an extra auto, but then later on he kept beating me by throwing Qs at me and predicting my Qs. Anyways it started getting better and I could just farm and sustain his Q's when I started finally getting more points in W, being safe not to get taunted when my W was down.
Ended up getting carried. I feel like GP gets countered by Shen. Shen's W lets him harass you down while taking less damage than you and if you constantly eat oranges you make yourself vulnerable to a taunt. I wouldn't say Shen counters you. I'd say he a rough matchup, but he really has no offensive potential on you. He cannot stop you from going farm mode what so ever. You basically have two real choices: 1) all in super early. Either level 1 in River brush, autoQauto into as long a trade as possible, if you ignite they pretty much have to go back, or at level two with an E from lane brush (to not telegraph the "Hey, i'ma all in you now!") into a autoQauto ignite. Thing with this is, you wont kill him. You definitely wont kill him. You will likely get him to back though, which is huuge this early. 2) Go full rice mode. Can straight up just buy like a giants belt+Avarice blade and ignore him because uinless he started like 40 AD or something he'll never burn through a giants belt and Wmax. Ever. Other thing that hard to odo,but true, GP isn't a "trade"-y champ anymore. You rarely win trades with just Q's because of dem nerfs (Q nerfs, base AD nerfs, AD scaling nerfs, etc). His passive is really strong though, you usually win long extended fights on even footings. Its weird, I know, but it is true. Takes some getting used to. Sometimes its better to use you mana to last hit with Q safely, and then you dont need to use W as frequently because they can't really zone you and you aren't in line of fire as often. So my all in didn't work and I sure as hell wasn't going to fight him in his creeps at level 2. I guess my only option was full rice mode. The strange thing is, I've been on the Shen side of things too and it's a hard matchup from there if he just spams Q with a sheen. GP doesn't feel like he has mana problems and any time you can bait a shield, you get a free Q. It takes a while but it adds up. I must just suck. Out of curiosity, how did you all in him in the River? In my post above that I said I just kinda ran at him and shot Qs. I guess it's not an all in since I didn't really ignite or flash him, but I would have followed up if he hadn't ran away from me immediately after a Q auto.
Next time you standing in that river brush autoQauto instead, gets another free auto in on that combo, and makes it much harder for them to run away because they slowed with 3 stacks instead of 2.
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I think I'm going to give up on GP. I just don't see his strengths besides maybe winning lane for his allies and surviving laning.
Very frustrating to ult and then have the enemy Gragas just turn 15 degrees and dash to the side or to ult a Rammus at low health and then not kill him.
How does an offtank/squishy melee with no gap closer scale into late game?
edit: maybe I expect too much from pirate given how much gold I had. Nasus fits in the same archetype spending 3k on offensive stats (triforce-health).
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not very well
I like GP but sadly I think he's pretty outclassed
Zeus build is fun though lol
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I think he has good and bad teamcomps/matchups. I've won and lost with him just as I have with Riven and Tryndamere. Different playstyles for different jobs. Gangplank is my go-to guy when the opposition goes renekton or nasus (I've found he basically does well against tanky bruisers, and playing against renekton or nasus as riven/tryndamere is really annoying)
His free cleanse means he can be played somewhat recklessly, which is great against rammus jungle or ahri mid. Get out of cc freecard is really strong. And fun. And thats really what it comes down to. Playing what you enjoy. And if I can consistently win games with him in plat1 I don't think it's fair to call him not viable.
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I've been finding that statikk shiv + E passive can make you faster than some champions that have t2 boots(i've been seeing around ~400 ms), so is it reasonable just to skip t2 boots until very late/not get boots at all if the enemy team is fairly slow?
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Boots are still the spot for one unique stat (ninja tabi) and one rare (tenacity), for a low cost.
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Because GP doesn't have an escape faster is always better. So get both :p I generally build TF first though, because sheen helps with his mana issues and the phage speed procs > zeal passive.
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