I still don't understand: Mutalisks against Terran

On November 17 2015 12:31 Beelzebub1 wrote:
Mutalisks are fine in the match up, you just can't engage with even numbers using Mutalisks, you pretty much can't do it with Corruptors either you need a numerical advantage.

I don't see any imbalance in their air strength though, Vikings are terrible vs Mutalisks without Thor or Marine support, the Mutalisks can almost always at least catch Liberators in defense mode and catch a quick kill or two.

If your still losing Mutalisks to mines then it's purely a micro issue bro.

On November 17 2015 12:57 EonuS wrote:
because mutalisks get destroyed by liberator + marine/mine/thor, while corruptors do not and it's no more complicated than that. On top of that, quick spire builds don't work anymore on high level because you need fast 3rd hatchery for production and economy against terrran which wasn't as necessary in HoTS

corruptors are much harder to take out than mutas are, they also have longer range that is extremely useful when taking down liberators AND you can morph them into BLs later

On November 17 2015 13:04 Heyjoray wrote:

Oh man, the question wasnt: "Why are corrupter better against liberator?". The question was: "Why should we prefer a slow dull unit over a fast paced unit?

Why am i watching so many zergs playing Corrupter instead of mutalisks? Are the pro zergs really that bad? Frankly enough, iam alright with being just as bad

On November 17 2015 13:13 EonuS wrote:


if you're that pedantic about it:

- terran just got a mobile unit that is DESIGNED to counter mutalisk while already having plenty of natural ways to deal with it from previous games
- mutas are not cost efficient in small numbers and there are plenty of builds that can strike at a timing where you don't have the critical mass of mutas to be aggressive with them
- current high-level meta revolves around terran being the aggressor and zerg being the defender because of how economy changed zerg gameplay


and to clarify, my reply was directed to this question

On November 17 2015 13:26 Dazed_Spy wrote:


-Your clearly the one being pedantic, he was getting to the heart of the actual question.
-The rest of your post explains why mutalisks are logically not favoured, which was not the question being asked. So let me be the third person to attempt this: Why was the game designed in such a way, as to exclude units conducive to the game being fun--in this particular case mutalisks not being used--?

Grasp?

and to clarify, my reply was directed to this question

On November 17 2015 14:03 ChristianS wrote:
To clarify, what are you advocating? Are you saying liberators should be removed? Or are you just whining that your favorite unit isn't very popular right now?

If it's the former, then liberators weren't added specifically to make mutalisks bad in the matchup. They were added because they're cool units with a lot of interesting strategy and interactions. Frequently a consequence of adding a unit is that the units it does well against become more popular, and the units it does badly against, less. But Blizzard simply can't keep every fun unit viable just because people think they're fun. The strategy simply isn't so top-down as that. Starcraft is cool partly because the strategy is figured out organically by the players, and unless there's a balance issue, Blizzard tries to stay out of it. One consequence of that is that if the current meta isn't totally to your liking, you don't get to feel personally victimized by Blizzard.

If you're just whining that your favorite unit isn't popular right now, I sympathize. I think ghosts and tanks are awesome, and for most of HotS, I got very little of either. It's unfortunate, but that's how things work sometimes. You don't get to choose what to play against, and just because a strategy is fun doesn't mean it's viable.

On November 17 2015 15:23 Lunareste wrote:
That's for the players to decide. If you're so gung-ho about Mutalisks being viable then you should figure out how to make them viable.

On November 17 2015 16:52 Timelog wrote:

- Ling/Hydra/Lurker/Ultra
- Roach/Hydra/Lurker
- Ling/Ravager
- ect.

There is enough you can do. Also, muta are still very much viable depending on your style and what the Terran does. People, including pros, are mostly experimenting a lot currently with builds. Don't forget the game is extremely new, and most pros barely touched LotV on any serious level during Beta due to WCS.

Also, corruptors are pretty fun units now imo. With the caustic spray ability they are finally a unit that can do something more then only shoot air units.


Vibe used to do a Lurker/SH build that made SH pretty string. I believe PiG also was experimenting with it. So in certain builds they are viable ^.^