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Patch 7.21: Live on Oct. 25th, 2017

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Yorbon

Netherlands4272 Posts

October 24 2017 19:10 GMT

Rip ardent? Sounds like good news.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

October 24 2017 19:16 GMT

Probably RIP? I skimmed the page for all of 10s and it looked like a bigger change than any of the champion changes.

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

October 24 2017 19:16 GMT

Only took them 3 months!?

edit: those rammus nerfs are huge wtf. Was finally liking the little guy now as soon as he starts doing well they hit him hard? :<

DarkCore

Germany4194 Posts

October 24 2017 19:22 GMT

RIP Ardent, you will not be missed. Also correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those stat nerfs on Sej pretty huge too?

Riot pretending to buff Udyr when really it does nothing.

cLutZ

United States19573 Posts

October 24 2017 19:27 GMT

They should buff his tanky stats late if they want to help at that part. Give turtle a shield that scales with your own hp. Otherwise just make his early game better because that's where he's better suited to be good.

Ansibled

United Kingdom9872 Posts

October 24 2017 19:48 GMT

I think ardent will still have a place, just not in every single game.

GrandInquisitor

New York City13113 Posts

October 24 2017 20:04 GMT

RIP Ardent Censer, 6.13 - 7.21 freelo

Gahlo

United States35130 Posts

October 24 2017 20:17 GMT

On October 25 2017 04:22 DarkCore wrote:
RIP Ardent, you will not be missed. Also correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those stat nerfs on Sej pretty huge too?

It will definitely be painful. 5 armor is no joke in the jungle.

On October 25 2017 04:48 Ansibled wrote:
I think ardent will still have a place, just not in every single game.

I'm just glad that I won't feel compelled to rush it every game.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

October 24 2017 21:51 GMT

#10

Since when was Rammus ever intended to be good against "physical damage" rather than "auto-attackers" (due to the damage rebound)? I've never seen them state that anywhere. Oh well, gotta get the narrative going.

to shift some of his power out of lane and into teamfights

Now where else have I seen that... oh right, a bunch of changes for a very long time, and pretty much never the reverse except for scaling AP mids that were too weak in lane.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

October 24 2017 23:31 GMT

#11

yea he's not, thats supposed to be malphite and rammus is anti AA'er but they just make stuff up. They continue their assault on tanks with rammus and galio, making them super niche to the point where they can only exist as overpowered in a game or underpowered. How about we let people's skills do the talking instead of an inherent huge advantage just because you picked x champ vs y comp? It's a pretty lame design philosophy.

cLutZ

United States19573 Posts

October 24 2017 23:46 GMT

#12

I agree with VA that that appears to be the goal.

Ansibled

United Kingdom9872 Posts

October 25 2017 00:11 GMT

#13

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/10/1024-pbe-update.html#xp

Jungle camps are all worth the same creep score. One consistent issue in judging the impact of a jungler v. jungler match-up is that creep score can mean vastly different things. This is especially true if one champion specializes in single target camps while the other is an AoE monster. Now each camp in its entirety will grant 4 creep score, which generally matches the camps’ value and should provide for easier comparison of a jungler to their direct opponent.

???

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

October 25 2017 00:14 GMT

#14

That actually blows chunks for tracking

cLutZ

United States19573 Posts

October 25 2017 01:06 GMT

#15

I think they should add another camp or 2

Fildun

Netherlands4122 Posts

October 25 2017 04:01 GMT

#16

What is their point?
"This makes it easier to compare junglers"
Who's comparing what and when and why?

PrinceXizor

United States17713 Posts

October 25 2017 08:48 GMT

#17

On October 25 2017 13:01 Fildun wrote:
What is their point?
"This makes it easier to compare junglers"
Who's comparing what and when and why?

with emotes and now this. Riots bringing toxic back, lets go. easier to flame your jungler now. no longer just for not ganking. clearly the main reason.

but for real adding a "large monsters" count to the scoreboard accomplishes literally the same thing, without screwing up tracking or muddying the waters for laners who clear a camp occasionally.

cLutZ

United States19573 Posts

October 25 2017 09:22 GMT

#18

It indirectly increases fog of war, thus decreasing the stratification of skill related to vision at high levels of play. This has been a major theme of most of their vision changes over the last few offseasons.

PrinceXizor

United States17713 Posts

October 25 2017 09:48 GMT

#19

I definitely miss S3 Support. because the good games you feel so much better than the other team. but now im kind of like, just the person that sits around and watches. I feel like a WoW Pet.

So now i play Urgot support to feel alive again. lol

I'd be interested to see what a teamwise cooldown on vision wards would do to the game. like obs wards/smoke in Dota.

With how little you should be dying in league, i suspect it'd just make people play more safe rather than try to make plays.

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

October 25 2017 10:21 GMT

#20

I loved the bitch support just because I could take over the whole map vision and bitch slap the enemy support vision. I doubt Riot would ever have shop cooldown items. They may not have the tech to do it or it'll take a hell of a long time to sort out.

Reading that Rioter saying they dislike sightstone being item supports need every game was just disheaterning. Vision is one of the most rewarding aspects of it all. Seeing that map light up, tracking where enemy is, allowing your team to do all kinds of aggressive plays safely. That's all the great aspects of being a support. Just buying items you can do at any other role. Supports and to some extent Junglers are ones that work with the intangibles. Why change that? Why is that not good enough?