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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
October 26 2017 09:11 GMT
#81
On October 26 2017 17:00 cLutZ wrote:
Why do we not have voice chat when Xbox has had it for 10 years? IDK, but my suspicion is because Riot prefers to police text chat with tribunal instead.


Theres a few legitimate reasons.

Voice recording have a ton of legal issues with them, so riot couldnt record anything for policing. Its also muuuch larger files to store.


Voice chat can cause issues with people whose voices are representative of groups who face harassment at a higher rate, people with a voice affect that is commonly attributed to being "a gay voice", or people with higher pitched voices like children, many women, etc.

the counterpoint is, people arent as toxic on voice as they are on chat the smaller degree of anonymity does reduce the amount people are willing to say. mute buttons are a thing. obviously voice chat is superior across the board for communication,provided folk speak the same language in an understandable manner, an issue europe might have. for time, keyboard use, etc.

I dont think they'll do it. im just upset they shut down curse voice so fast. if they arent gonna do it, why should services be unable to do so on their own.
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
October 26 2017 09:37 GMT
#82
Janna isn't a problem. If she was a problem she would have been a problem since S2.


Janna wasn't a problem back then because engage supports were the dope, and because bot consisted of only Ezreal/Graves/Corki, which blow up Janna in seconds if you pair them with the likes of Taric. Then we had a long time where Thresh was god tier. Since then I believe Janna has been a staple meta pick, sometimes falling out of popularity, but always a viable pick. She's like Cait, she's been meta for too long, and if Riot wants to address her problems it's going to have to be a full rework. Now in the Ardent meta she's become god tier, and she's going to fall off with the nerfs, but I wouldn't mind seeing her disappear from bot lane for a bit.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
October 26 2017 09:40 GMT
#83
Janna ever since they tried to rotate thresh out of meta has been one of the highest winrate supports in the game into almost everything. its just very hard to screw anything up on janna and you offload a bunch of effort onto your ally by giving them free stats., an now with easy item path, its even easier. Janna Mains have been the main supports in challenger since at least season 4.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 26 2017 10:05 GMT
#84
Janna has been one of the highest winrate supports in Solo Q for years now. Just never that popular in comp play.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
October 26 2017 15:25 GMT
#85
#hottake: if janna doesn't have a high winrate in solo queue, she's imbalanced and way too weak

this is the converse of if yasuo has a OK winrate in solo queue, he's imbalanced and way too strong
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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
October 26 2017 16:03 GMT
#86
If Janna doesn't have a high winrate it's because Riot redesigned her. She could have basically negative damage/shield/heal values and still be a yoloQ destroyer. It's her ability to control fights that makes her broken in uncoordinated play.
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-26 16:08:43
October 26 2017 16:08 GMT
#87
On October 27 2017 01:03 Jek wrote:
If Janna doesn't have a high winrate it's because Riot redesigned her. She could have basically negative damage/shield/heal values and still be a yoloQ destroyer. It's her ability to control fights that makes her broken in uncoordinated play.

I think it's mainly the shield to be honest.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
October 26 2017 16:20 GMT
#88
On October 27 2017 01:08 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2017 01:03 Jek wrote:
If Janna doesn't have a high winrate it's because Riot redesigned her. She could have basically negative damage/shield/heal values and still be a yoloQ destroyer. It's her ability to control fights that makes her broken in uncoordinated play.

I think it's mainly the shield to be honest.

yep. you dont ever have to use her ult for anything but topping people off on HP and you can cruise to a solid winrate only by pressing E and censor buying.

maybe less so now because its not auto win early if you get it and they arent drastically ahead. but yeah its the shield, and the free movement.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
October 26 2017 16:21 GMT
#89
Nah it's her fight control.

Source: YOLO diver that's been banning that shit since S1 baby.

Trying to do anything aggressive against a Janna is like pulling teeth.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 26 2017 18:49 GMT
#90
On October 27 2017 00:25 GrandInquisitor wrote:
#hottake: if janna doesn't have a high winrate in solo queue, she's imbalanced and way too weak

this is the converse of if yasuo has a OK winrate in solo queue, he's imbalanced and way too strong

I've read this 3 times now and still kind of confused by what you mean. Could you elaborate please?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 26 2017 19:46 GMT
#91
If you balance around high level play the total win rate for Janna will always be high and the Yasuo win rate will always be low, because of how they scale inversely with/vs mechanics
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DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
October 26 2017 20:13 GMT
#92
So what is the point of scripting on PBE? It seems like there are either way more on PBE, or just way more obvious.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
October 26 2017 20:54 GMT
#93
Probably people testing their scripts on a much less valuable account.
Miiike
Profile Joined July 2010
United States141 Posts
October 26 2017 21:01 GMT
#94
Can someone link a good guide to the new rune system? All I've seen are like hour long youtube videos by randos.
Thanks.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
October 26 2017 21:22 GMT
#95
On October 27 2017 06:01 Miiike wrote:
Can someone link a good guide to the new rune system? All I've seen are like hour long youtube videos by randos.
Thanks.

What kind of info in particular are you looking for?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 26 2017 21:35 GMT
#96
On October 27 2017 04:46 Slusher wrote:
If you balance around high level play the total win rate for Janna will always be high and the Yasuo win rate will always be low, because of how they scale inversely with/vs mechanics

For Janna its not mechanics, its that the way to beat her is proper coordination against her. She's a perfect example of why we need voice chat.
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-26 21:45:08
October 26 2017 21:44 GMT
#97
On October 27 2017 03:49 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2017 00:25 GrandInquisitor wrote:
#hottake: if janna doesn't have a high winrate in solo queue, she's imbalanced and way too weak

this is the converse of if yasuo has a OK winrate in solo queue, he's imbalanced and way too strong

I've read this 3 times now and still kind of confused by what you mean. Could you elaborate please?

Yasuo has an extremely steep skill curve. The vast majority of Yasuo players will probably feed on him. The very best Yasuo players will be fine. This means that if the vast majority of Yasuo players are doing OK on him, the very best are tearing shit up.

Janna has an extremely flat skill curve. The vast majority of Janna players will do just fine on her. The very best Janna players, however, are getting less out of her than if they had invested that effort into Yasuo. This means that if the vast majority of Janna players are not doing OK on her, then the very best are not either.

In addition, Yasuo is a very typical "fuck my team I'm gonna 1v9 this shit" champion, whereas Janna is a very typical "I'm going to play for my team <3 <3" champion. You expect, in solo queue, that team-oriented players do better than #YOLO420BLAZEIT players, so their winrate is also a reflection of the type of people that play that champion in League. That is to say, Lux support has a bad winrate not just because Lux is trash, but because the people who pick Lux support are themselves trash.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
October 26 2017 22:07 GMT
#98
Also yasuo actually needs proper setup from his team while janna doesn't.
dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
October 26 2017 22:54 GMT
#99
think you're vastly overrating voicechat

imo voicechat is useful if you already have good teamwork. can get a bit more detailed with the plays and communicate more ideas quicker.

but if the teamwork is not there in the first place it's just a clusterfuck and it gets bad when the loudest and most aggressive voice makes shitty calls and when people try to argue with it it just becomes a 'who yells the calls louder and first'.

most of the time in soloq it's the latter.

so if you and your team get a long, feel free to just have them hop on discord or something. but I don't think a general voice feature on league for soloq would be that great. I personally would never use it. Even as a solo player I would much rather have the duos on their own voice instead of all 5 on one.
TL/SKT
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 27 2017 00:50 GMT
#100
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