[Patch 7.21] RIP Ardent Censer General Discussion - Page 6

For Janna its not mechanics, its that the way to beat her is proper coordination against her. She's a perfect example of why we need voice chat.

On October 27 2017 16:35 DarkCore wrote:
Pack it up boys, Riot says that the Galio Q changes are completely intentional, not a bug.

On October 27 2017 16:35 DarkCore wrote:
Pack it up boys, Riot says that the Galio Q changes are completely intentional, not a bug.



Janna does well in competitive play as well, I don't see how that holds. Voice chat would give her own team better coordination, so the point seems moot.

On October 27 2017 00:25 GrandInquisitor wrote:
That is to say, Lux support has a bad winrate not just because Lux is trash, but because the people who pick Lux support are themselves trash.

On October 27 2017 16:46 M2 wrote:


Yeah, yesterday, today Riot said that he is getting hot fixed...Riot stuff..

On October 28 2017 00:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
A few more riot balance team members need to get gold before season end with galio then they will hotfix it appropriately

On October 27 2017 16:52 cLutZ wrote:

Janna has been 55% ish in soloq for 4+ seasons. She has never been a priority pick until ardent meta, and has gone through multiple year-long droughts of almost no play. I'd be surprised if, for instance, SKT supports playing with Faker have played Janna more than 5 times before the ardent buffs.

On October 28 2017 01:58 dsyxelic wrote:


lets not forget season 4 worlds

janna was played extensively. I think gorilla was the one that started it and then everyone hopped on. zero played it a lot and lustboy/mata played it a fair amount too. yes the ardent meta made her retarded but she is always strong when laning does not matter as much and hyper carries are meta.

she's also decent when splitpush/poke is good, I forget exactly when this was but I remember janna/trundle were super popular around the same time.

On October 28 2017 01:03 GrandInquisitor wrote:
In retrospect, even if Galio was 50% across all tiers, it's still no excuse for shipping Galio like that, because it's still hella annoying to play against even if he isn't winning most of the time. But if I am correct, it is the first time that I can recall where Riot completely dropped the ball on balancing for lower tiers.

On October 28 2017 04:58 cLutZ wrote:


Yes, I do recall S4 worlds, which I think was really adopted because of Najin's fastpush strategy that won them the gauntlet. That's still just 2 periods separated by 3 years.

Worlds is just a snapshot, but:

S2: 0%
S3: 0%
S4: 68% P/B, 62% WR
S5: 4% P/B, 67%WR (0 In bracket stage)
S6: 0%

I'd be surprised if, for instance, SKT supports playing with Faker have played Janna more than 5 times before the ardent buffs.

On October 28 2017 01:03 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Ironically I think this came about because the playtest (not balance) team is exclusively Dia+ players. Based on preliminary stats, it seems that AP Galio had a pretty average winrate in high elo, because even though it did a lot of damage people would just play around it and beat it, like an AP Malphite. Whereas in lower elo, AP Galio had a much higher winrate as people would just keep inting into the Galio, as if the tenth time they got hit by EQW they wouldn't get one-shot.

On October 28 2017 06:00 dsyxelic wrote:


just wanted to correct you since you said never been a priority pick


also this confuses me in your previous post since Wolf has definitely played janna more than 5 times. It was one of the 'unbeatable' skt champions for each position.

iirc - Marin's maokai, faker's leblanc, bang's kalista, wolf's janna had absurd 90%+ winrates with more than ~20 games at a certain point.

On October 28 2017 07:10 Jek wrote:

Given the balance team's history of juggernaut Skarner, rework Leblanc, rework Janna and now Galio Q I dont have much faith in their actually ability to see what works in the game from both a balance or fun perspective.

PBE forum was literally a spam fest about issues with Skarner, everyone with just a inkling of an idea how to play Janna knew it was going to be a buff, Leblanc and Galio was just looking at numbers to realize it was fucking stupid.

On October 28 2017 01:03 GrandInquisitor wrote:

These statements aren't contradictory. People were speculating that maybe Galio was that strong because of a typo, but rather than take the copout they said that they intentionally but wrongfully made it that strong, and are now correcting it.


Ironically I think this came about because the playtest (not balance) team is exclusively Dia+ players.

On October 28 2017 07:04 Sent. wrote:
Am I the only one who keeps missing Eve's Q while jungling due to spamming it like you did on old Eve?