| Forum Index > LoL General |
|
DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
For Janna its not mechanics, its that the way to beat her is proper coordination against her. She's a perfect example of why we need voice chat. Janna does well in competitive play as well, I don't see how that holds. Voice chat would give her own team better coordination, so the point seems moot. | ||
|
M2
Bulgaria4115 Posts
On October 27 2017 16:35 DarkCore wrote: Pack it up boys, Riot says that the Galio Q changes are completely intentional, not a bug. Yeah, yesterday, today Riot said that he is getting hot fixed...Riot stuff.. | ||
|
cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On October 27 2017 16:35 DarkCore wrote: Pack it up boys, Riot says that the Galio Q changes are completely intentional, not a bug. Janna does well in competitive play as well, I don't see how that holds. Voice chat would give her own team better coordination, so the point seems moot. Janna has been 55% ish in soloq for 4+ seasons. She has never been a priority pick until ardent meta, and has gone through multiple year-long droughts of almost no play. I'd be surprised if, for instance, SKT supports playing with Faker have played Janna more than 5 times before the ardent buffs. | ||
|
St3MoR
Spain3256 Posts
On October 27 2017 00:25 GrandInquisitor wrote: That is to say, Lux support has a bad winrate not just because Lux is trash, but because the people who pick Lux support are themselves trash. Feels bad man :'(. I don't pick her in support role but close enough | ||
|
VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
| ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On October 27 2017 16:46 M2 wrote: Yeah, yesterday, today Riot said that he is getting hot fixed...Riot stuff.. These statements aren't contradictory. People were speculating that maybe Galio was that strong because of a typo, but rather than take the copout they said that they intentionally but wrongfully made it that strong, and are now correcting it. On October 28 2017 00:24 VayneAuthority wrote: A few more riot balance team members need to get gold before season end with galio then they will hotfix it appropriately Ironically I think this came about because the playtest (not balance) team is exclusively Dia+ players. Based on preliminary stats, it seems that AP Galio had a pretty average winrate in high elo, because even though it did a lot of damage people would just play around it and beat it, like an AP Malphite. Whereas in lower elo, AP Galio had a much higher winrate as people would just keep inting into the Galio, as if the tenth time they got hit by EQW they wouldn't get one-shot. In retrospect, even if Galio was 50% across all tiers, it's still no excuse for shipping Galio like that, because it's still hella annoying to play against even if he isn't winning most of the time. But if I am correct, it is the first time that I can recall where Riot completely dropped the ball on balancing for lower tiers. | ||
|
PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
one of those rare cases where the bad players had an advantage over the good ones, because they were misplaying a previous iteration of a champ, and then the champ gets changed to reward that misplay instead of what was good. | ||
|
dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On October 27 2017 16:52 cLutZ wrote: Janna has been 55% ish in soloq for 4+ seasons. She has never been a priority pick until ardent meta, and has gone through multiple year-long droughts of almost no play. I'd be surprised if, for instance, SKT supports playing with Faker have played Janna more than 5 times before the ardent buffs. lets not forget season 4 worlds janna was played extensively. I think gorilla was the one that started it and then everyone hopped on. zero played it a lot and lustboy/mata played it a fair amount too. yes the ardent meta made her retarded but she is always strong when laning does not matter as much and hyper carries are meta. she's also decent when splitpush/poke is good, I forget exactly when this was but I remember janna/trundle were super popular around the same time. | ||
|
cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On October 28 2017 01:58 dsyxelic wrote: lets not forget season 4 worlds janna was played extensively. I think gorilla was the one that started it and then everyone hopped on. zero played it a lot and lustboy/mata played it a fair amount too. yes the ardent meta made her retarded but she is always strong when laning does not matter as much and hyper carries are meta. she's also decent when splitpush/poke is good, I forget exactly when this was but I remember janna/trundle were super popular around the same time. Yes, I do recall S4 worlds, which I think was really adopted because of Najin's fastpush strategy that won them the gauntlet. That's still just 2 periods separated by 3 years. Worlds is just a snapshot, but: S2: 0% S3: 0% S4: 68% P/B, 62% WR S5: 4% P/B, 67%WR (0 In bracket stage) S6: 0% | ||
|
Slusher
United States19143 Posts
| ||
|
Fildun
Netherlands4122 Posts
On October 28 2017 01:03 GrandInquisitor wrote: In retrospect, even if Galio was 50% across all tiers, it's still no excuse for shipping Galio like that, because it's still hella annoying to play against even if he isn't winning most of the time. But if I am correct, it is the first time that I can recall where Riot completely dropped the ball on balancing for lower tiers. Ehh, they've done some weird balancing for lower ELO as well in the past. Juggernaut rework immediately comes to mind, especially because those champions were pubstompers already. | ||
|
dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On October 28 2017 04:58 cLutZ wrote: Yes, I do recall S4 worlds, which I think was really adopted because of Najin's fastpush strategy that won them the gauntlet. That's still just 2 periods separated by 3 years. Worlds is just a snapshot, but: S2: 0% S3: 0% S4: 68% P/B, 62% WR S5: 4% P/B, 67%WR (0 In bracket stage) S6: 0% just wanted to correct you since you said never been a priority pick  I'd be surprised if, for instance, SKT supports playing with Faker have played Janna more than 5 times before the ardent buffs. also this confuses me in your previous post since Wolf has definitely played janna more than 5 times. It was one of the 'unbeatable' skt champions for each position. iirc - Marin's maokai, faker's leblanc, bang's kalista, wolf's janna had absurd 90%+ winrates with more than ~20 games at a certain point. | ||
|
Sent.
Poland9168 Posts
| ||
|
Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On October 28 2017 01:03 GrandInquisitor wrote: Ironically I think this came about because the playtest (not balance) team is exclusively Dia+ players. Based on preliminary stats, it seems that AP Galio had a pretty average winrate in high elo, because even though it did a lot of damage people would just play around it and beat it, like an AP Malphite. Whereas in lower elo, AP Galio had a much higher winrate as people would just keep inting into the Galio, as if the tenth time they got hit by EQW they wouldn't get one-shot. Given the balance team's history of juggernaut Skarner, rework Leblanc, rework Janna and now Galio Q I dont have much faith in their actually ability to see what works in the game from both a balance or fun perspective. PBE forum was literally a spam fest about issues with Skarner, everyone with just a inkling of an idea how to play Janna knew it was going to be a buff, Leblanc and Galio was just looking at numbers to realize it was fucking stupid. | ||
|
cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On October 28 2017 06:00 dsyxelic wrote: just wanted to correct you since you said never been a priority pick also this confuses me in your previous post since Wolf has definitely played janna more than 5 times. It was one of the 'unbeatable' skt champions for each position. iirc - Marin's maokai, faker's leblanc, bang's kalista, wolf's janna had absurd 90%+ winrates with more than ~20 games at a certain point. That is weird that I totally memory-holed that one pick in 2015. The stats show it is correct, I just don't remember it nearly as much as Faker LB, Bang Kalista, Marin Maokai. It is probably because 2015 SKT played it only once in playoffs (and lost), whereas all those other picks I can remember important plays with it. Also, I've always considered Wolf to be kinda derpy and facechecking things (whence Wolf Alistar being his best pick), so Janna seems very much against my stereotype. On October 28 2017 07:10 Jek wrote: Given the balance team's history of juggernaut Skarner, rework Leblanc, rework Janna and now Galio Q I dont have much faith in their actually ability to see what works in the game from both a balance or fun perspective. PBE forum was literally a spam fest about issues with Skarner, everyone with just a inkling of an idea how to play Janna knew it was going to be a buff, Leblanc and Galio was just looking at numbers to realize it was fucking stupid. I don't think the PBE is really a test realm. Its more of a distraction. Reworks have gotten severe negative feedback, they always go through. Even buggy reworks like Morde go through despite being bombarded by information about it. Its more just to tell them if the game is going to explode. | ||
|
Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On October 28 2017 01:03 GrandInquisitor wrote: These statements aren't contradictory. People were speculating that maybe Galio was that strong because of a typo, but rather than take the copout they said that they intentionally but wrongfully made it that strong, and are now correcting it. Ironically I think this came about because the playtest (not balance) team is exclusively Dia+ players. According to scarra the balance team member he asked about it told him they reported that is was way too good but ultimately they only make suggestions. | ||
|
iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On October 28 2017 07:04 Sent. wrote: Am I the only one who keeps missing Eve's Q while jungling due to spamming it like you did on old Eve? Yeah I miss one at least once a clear. | ||
|
M2
Bulgaria4115 Posts
| ||
|
Slusher
United States19143 Posts
| ||
|
Gahlo
United States35130 Posts
On October 30 2017 02:31 M2 wrote: Did I miss something about the blue kayn? Every game I see kayn lately, regardless if its in my games or on stream its always the blue kayn and I mean always, I can't remember when was the last time I saw red kayn. Is it just me or whats going on? Blue Kayn snowballs hard. | ||
| ||
|
|
RSL Revival
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
WardiTV Qualifier
PiGosaur Monday
RSL Revival
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
The PondCast
RSL Revival
Harstem vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
RSL Revival
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
[ Show More ] |
|
|
EPT
