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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On November 04 2017 06:04 Yorbon wrote: How do redesigns work in this? Is known who reworked which champion? Or was it the balance team, or w/e? I know certainlyT did WW beyond that no idea | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
Should release champs with % mana regen damage or cc or whatever scaling instead of AP on some skills, gives them the ability to beef up the base stats or usability of those spells without making an accidental laner, by making those abilities pretty much only scale with dorans or support items. since they are gonna ham fist a support anyway, they might as well ham first it in a way they dont have to keep them artificially weak in order to put them in support. Stuff like ally bouncing from nami, or %mana regen scaling or leona passive are good ways to force a dual laner without just nerfing the champ until its just the only place they can go reliably (zyra, morgana). | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On November 04 2017 06:15 PrinceXizor wrote: yes. Good threshes won games. bad threshes were embarrassing. Skill determinant supports are good for the game. full stop. Stuff like Rakan, Thresh, Pre nerf and rework Alistar (when it was tougher to combo, and he could auto post headbutt), pre rework zyra, Tahm Kench. should be the norm for supports. the champs should be stronger than other roles, to make up for not having items all the time. But now that supports get free gold, they have to be dumbed down and weaker so they dont take over. I agree with that sentiment, skill based supports are the best meta, watching the Mata playmakers clobber the enemy team is fun. My point was just that there was a time where Thresh wasn't just a skill champion, but pretty much defined the entire support meta, because a good Thresh had the possibility of winning the lane and the game with good play, and his kit was just so much better than everyone else. Also don't think supports weren't swimming in gold before the Ardent meta, people weren't running Targons on ADC and gp5 runes to rush the damn item because they needed real stats to win the lane. Maybe they should remove Coin and replace it with another gold generating item, the other two seem to be pretty balanced right now. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
Thresh being perma pick/ban is fine. people will just pick/ban it. and if you know its a playmaking support, then you know the type of play you gotta put in lane to fight against it. disengage or tankiness or both etc. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On November 04 2017 06:32 Slusher wrote: I know certainlyT did WW beyond that no idea Ah ok, thanks. While I'm not quite fond of the champions GI mentioned (except thresh), I think he did a fine job reworking ww. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On November 04 2017 08:30 Slusher wrote: Remember when red pot thresh was a threat to 1v1 any poor soul who got hooked leve 1 (empowered auto was on q at release) remember all HP pot katarina? and then red pot everyone? lol | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On November 04 2017 05:37 DarkCore wrote: Which champions did he make? Legit curious, I've never heard of the guy. Fizz, Riven, Lulu, Renekton and Heimerdinger basically nothing but champions that when you lane against them make you go fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. Orianna is an outlier that doesn't count. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On November 04 2017 09:11 Jek wrote: Fizz, Riven, Lulu, Renekton and Heimerdinger basically nothing but champions that when you lane against them make you go fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. Orianna is an outlier that doesn't count. you forget Nautilus, and yeah orianna was the only one. but orianna is in that spot where if shes a little better shes so oppressive shes must pick. Don't forget Xyph was also the mid lane main that did the S4 Vision/support overhaul that was designed to let people play more support when filling and still play mages.  | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9262 Posts
On November 04 2017 09:15 NeoIllusions wrote: Converting 180K IP to BE was not fun. Should put your client in the "potato" mode with animations disabled. Saves a lot of time | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On November 04 2017 10:04 Sent. wrote: Should put your client in the "potato" mode with animations disabled. Saves a lot of time fml. I remember reading about this but forgot to actually do it a few hours ago. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On November 05 2017 02:48 Jek wrote: Any quick way to see how much you're going to get back from runes and pages? Got all runes and max runepages bought with IP calculating by hand is going to be ehhhhh given the random price for different runes. Prices of runes doesn't matter. It's 100BE/minor rune and 300BE/quint. I believe pages through IP was 1500BE/page. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 05 2017 02:48 Jek wrote: Any quick way to see how much you're going to get back from runes and pages? Got all runes and max runepages bought with IP calculating by hand is going to be ehhhhh given the random price for different runes. https://calculator.4da.ms/ Use this. Just note that any runes purchased in last like month or two won't be refunded so don't put them in. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4132 Posts
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