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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On November 03 2017 00:13 Ansibled wrote: Of course none of this solves the problem of being Udyr. This. Udyr already does quite a lot of damage, but has no real way to get in range to do exactly that. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
like why be udyr when you can just be warwick/jax/shyvana/skarner/etc warwick offers better teamfight and cc, jax offers extreme mobility/counters AAers, shyvana takes neutrals faster and has gapcloser thats unstoppable, skarner offers better cc/zone control udyr's damage would need to be OBSCENE/the undisputed 1v1 king to even make him remotely viable but riot doesn't really like to do stuff like that with exceptions like fiora/vayne who are kept in check in other ways but skirt the edges of competitive play whenever they are given a little room to operate. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
Certainly would make for an interesting champ, like a pseudo-Singed. | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On November 03 2017 05:06 GrandInquisitor wrote: Maybe Udyr could be rebalanced if they eliminated his mana gating and made him CD-gated or energy-gated. Certainly would make for an interesting champ, like a pseudo-Singed. That's just skirting around his actual problem, which is that he's a relic from a time when LoL did not have as much mobility, and counter jungling defined the meta. I think the last time he was meta was in S2/3? Only person who ever played him between then and now was SKT T0m, and funnily enough he just retired. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On November 03 2017 05:46 DarkCore wrote: That's just skirting around his actual problem, which is that he's a relic from a time when LoL did not have as much mobility, and counter jungling defined the meta. I think the last time he was meta was in S2/3? Only person who ever played him between then and now was SKT T0m, and funnily enough he just retired. Udyr was meta like a year or two ago for a few patches when runic echos gave 10% movespeed. Then he fell off the face of the planet again. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 03 2017 10:22 iCanada wrote: It would help if janna stopped being picked every game too.. Or Lulu, or Thresh, or Alistar, or Bard, or Malz, or Morgana, or Zyra, or any of the other myriad of supports that shut him down. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
Looks like part of her kit makes bubbles copying actives/summoners used around her that she can use. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On November 03 2017 22:25 GrandInquisitor wrote: The concept of picking up others' Flash is very clever. For all the hate CertainlyT gets I think his champions are probably among the most played in the game. They are very creative and interesting characters, they just don't fit the game's balance. He'd be better working at Valve making Dota, because pretty much all his champions have been staple meta picks and annihilate old champions. That flash orb collecting for example looks like it would dump on skill shot reliant champions, which make up like 75% of the champ pool. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Thresh Zyra Yasuo Kalista Kalista is pretty broken but she'd be far more balanced if they just capped the rend damage to monsters. The fact that they refuse to do that is more on the balance team than his design. Thresh does a lot of stuff but honestly he just makes games more interesting. If he pushes out heroes I don't see the issue with that. Rest aren't really an issue. Yasuo is annoying but ultimately not great. Darius was broken but adjusting his numbers and a bit of his kit did work to make him fine. So honestly think people overblown his character design issues. I think of a designer as someone pushing the concept to the max while the balance team needs to figure out the numbers and maybe slight adjustments to make them fit in the current game. Dota heroes tend to be more simple with depth in how they interact so not sure if it's fair to say his hero designs fit more in there. Both games can design similar ways if they want to. He may be better at dota design merely because the game has the ability to adjust it's control systems to actually do more interesting stuff. League's engine really stifles a lot of stuff. Which is a bit funny since some league devs seem to believe that what constitutes good design is what falls within the limitations they have forced themselves into and anything outside of that is bad design. Silly people. ps: Earth Spirit is a freaking LoL hero man. Disgusting thing. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On November 03 2017 23:06 Numy wrote: Darius Thresh Zyra Yasuo Kalista Kalista is pretty broken but she'd be far more balanced if they just capped the rend damage to monsters. The fact that they refuse to do that is more on the balance team than his design. Thresh does a lot of stuff but honestly he just makes games more interesting. If he pushes out heroes I don't see the issue with that. Rest aren't really an issue. Yasuo is annoying but ultimately not great. Darius was broken but adjusting his numbers and a bit of his kit did work to make him fine. So honestly think people overblown his character design issues. I think of a designer as someone pushing the concept to the max while the balance team needs to figure out the numbers and maybe slight adjustments to make them fit in the current game. Dota heroes tend to be more simple with depth in how they interact so not sure if it's fair to say his hero designs fit more in there. Both games can design similar ways if they want to. He may be better at dota design merely because the game has the ability to adjust it's control systems to actually do more interesting stuff. League's engine really stifles a lot of stuff. Which is a bit funny since some league devs seem to believe that what constitutes good design is what falls within the limitations they have forced themselves into and anything outside of that is bad design. Silly people. ps: Earth Spirit is a freaking LoL hero man. Disgusting thing. I think this is something that people have said so much that it's just become a meme relying on itself for truth. If he really designed bad champs, then they should be either 0% or close to 100% pick/ban in pro play. But it's obviously not the case . Yasuo was 38.5% pick/ban in Season 4 worlds. Zyra was 35% pick/ban last year. Thresh is currently 20% pick/ban. The only exception really is Kalista. | ||
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