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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 29 2015 04:34 739 wrote: Dunno what they smoke at Riot HQ. They enjoyed watching the NA LCS so much that they decided to make the game clown fiesta so everyone will get the same enjoyment they do. Honestly I have no idea anymore. These people bounce around polar opposite philosophies every few months it seems. | ||
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Skitter
United States899 Posts
Buff to Doublelift? | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On October 29 2015 04:54 GrandInquisitor wrote: Seems pretty clear to me that they meant ADCs that occupy strategic spaces similar to other champions and weren't sufficiently unique, not "these ADCs are similar to each other". yea I already feel like corki is played differently and for different reasons than any other adc | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
lots of interesting comments in here ER actually a good item now? | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On October 29 2015 04:34 739 wrote: Dunno what they smoke at Riot HQ. Must be pretty good stuff. If half those changes go through, it's not going to feel like the same game anymore imo. Too many reworks/updates too fast. The only ADC change that makes much sense to me is the Caitlyn one, because she's been pretty lackluster for a while. The others seem like change just for heck of it. | ||
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Faeny
647 Posts
Really interested in the shakeup to sustain. If health from consumables cost more per hp gained, it will make champs with built-in sustain even more oppressive than they are now. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
Unless the damage ratios on Quinn are absurd they solve none of her issues. They didn't rework her into the assassin she should be, and instead went completely the wrong way, removing her duelling potential and the assassination potential. I don't understand how Quinn is relevant in any part of the game. Want a burst champion, Graves or Corki. Waveclear and utility, Sivir. Duelling: Vayne. Late game Hyper Carry: Kog/Jinx etc. etc. They basically took away one of the best parts of her kit in her ult and replaced it with a "go faster to places" speed boost. C'mon. Instead of working her kit around her ultimate, they basically threw it away. As far as the vision changes go, I'm not exactly sure where it will go. It's hard to conceptualise such radical changes. It's going to go one of two ways though, either improve the game or throw it into disrepair. Don't think there is going to be a middle ground here. Also RIP Eve. If Riot can do similar things to AD itemisation as they did for tank (well armour tanks anyways, lol balanced AP) and AP itemisation, that would be a success. Obviously, it's much harder since ADCs are all very similar in the fact that they need to deal consistent DPS where as AP mids can provide a lot more variance. As far as removing mana pots, again I'm just like Why?!?! | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On October 29 2015 05:24 Fildun wrote: I feel like they're going to turn off a lot of casual players with these changes. All the changes are being pushed through way too fast for the casual player to follow, so I don't see this as an especially good thing. Preseason is the time to do crazy things if you're going to make changes. So its hard to get mad at "shake the game up changes" simply because they shake the game up. If it gets worked out to be fun and "balanced" then overall it gives the seasons more identity and probably helps player retention by changing how the game plays. So overall a good thing irrespective of the changes. That being said, i am not sure riot understands their game enough for these changes to have the intended effect. There is still going to be "one mastery to rule them all" for every AD. And (more or less) one build to rule them all for every AD. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On October 29 2015 03:29 Ansibled wrote: http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/PE1LJTOM-quinn-pbe-feedback-thread Yellow trinket starting with 2 wards is a massive disappointment to me, it seems they aren't really redoing vision so much as they are just making it free. Didn't do that at all in season 4! It went oh so well, geez. Also I have absolutely no faith in Xypherous to actually hit the bar with managing mana costs and stuff. Especially for junglers. Case in point: Nautilus has amongst the highest mp5 in the game and an above average mana pool too. He's still a mana hog (he was before his E got changed, it's even more the case currently). Vi is another jungler who's looking to buy mana pots over health pots because she doesn't lose HP past the first clear but using E burns through her pool ridiculously fast. Udyr, Nocturne have significant mana issues if they stay in the jungle too. I don't see the point of the masteries that they showcased. you want a bleed? You want another frigin' "every 3 attack" effect? Why not just put it onto items or kits then? Giving this kind of power and visibility (ingame) to masteries is just going to make them even more confusing for new players, give us even more things to track during a game, and I don't buy into their diversity and choice bullshit. They're set up before the game so you can't even adapt them on the fly like an item build or skill order can. Fun fact: less than two months ago, red posts were stating Riot had no intention to rehaul masteries this time. Geez. When I thought on my own about how to change Graves to give a "shotgun" and "short range" feel to him, increasing his aa damage at short range was the first idea that popped in mind. And the first dismissed too. Riot say they want mechanics to be ways for players to express skill or what have you. But if you force Graves in short range (not Jinx's minigun range, short range), you make it harder for yourself to kite people, to dodge skillshots, etc. so you're not feeling rewarded for coming close, unless it's really strong you're essentially punishing yourself. Add to it that it won't matter at all to melee champions because they won't be able to hit you without taking additional damage. Such decision-making, such counterplay. Meh. I was wondering how they'd do it because I expected them to avoid this too. I guess I overestimated them. :/ | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
Caitlyn: seems like sensible changes, that are good, I still think they should expand on the earlier change to headshot (50% bonus armor ignore) and make jt 100%, BUT these changes all make some sense. MF: Love Tap sounds weird, but the description is really vague so it could do anything at this point. I think a lot of people didn't like impure shots because it was magic damage scaling with AD, but I think most of those complaints centered on the ults reliance on unpure for damage up until this last patch (still pretty much need unpure to not do garbage damage). I could either way on this, as there isn't really enough info to go on. at the moment my biggest concern for MF is mana pots being removed from the store. Kog: I know I'm a pessimist when it comes to reworks but this sounds like a nerf, the damage reduction is really high, and you need to stand still to take advantage of the compensation. this change also makes Trinity less good on Kog, which in turn could make his best builds have less health and want you to stand still for longer periods of time. Not going off a lot of data but I'm leaning towards nerf. Corki: I actually sorta like the change to him doing even more magic damage, making team comps even more flexible than they already are with Corki. the W thing sounds dumb but completely ignorable. So Corki seems mostly fine, which fine because I think he's already a really good adc as far as having something he does well that other adcs don't do. Quinn: I feel like adsmofro hit the nail on the head here. Graves: I'm optimistic, because I don't feel like he really does anything at the moment other than have the 2nd best wave clear to sivir. Especially with the buffs to MF ult I feel like he's just 2nd fiddle in team fight aoe as well (probly 3rd when you consider late game twitch) anyway those are my thoughts but I could be wrong, I often am. | ||
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
Riot Reinboom (NA) Should be much more valid. Hurricane now gives MS + Crit and the bolts can crit. It's not damaging your normal damage scaling by taking it anymore. Now cant flame randoms anymore for getting runaans on random adcs and doing no damage lategame  | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On October 29 2015 05:45 Harem wrote: Now cant flame randoms anymore for getting runaans on random adcs and doing no damage lategame It lets you attack 3 people at once, why would you not want it to affect your 'normal' damage scaling? I feel like you shouldn't be able to itemise something like this without the drawback. This seems broken. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On October 29 2015 05:45 Harem wrote: Now cant flame randoms anymore for getting runaans on random adcs and doing no damage lategame I liked the Hurricane route (notably Kalista and Kindred) because it ignored crit in favour of alternative ways to deal high sustained damage. They said (when explaining why they put crit on MF's ult) that crit is now core on every marksman with their new items, and Hurricane provides crit too... Yeah, I didn't have expectations about the marksman update, other than hoping we'd see more diversity, and the different build styles/needs of some champions supported, but from what we've seen so far it looks like I'll end up hating it. | ||
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