I think if you have a jungle item it's unchanged, unless I'm missing something, going by the patch notes you should be +5 xp(net) per camp with a jungle item.

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

November 11 2015 00:16 GMT

#584

Hey guys, so just a quick final post on our mastery discussion.

Did some math while I was unceremoniously banned for being an offtopic shitposter.

In terms of the tier 5 pen masteries of Ferocity vs. Cunning, Cunning is in general WAY better.

Precision vs. Mpen Precision is just straight up better. It's better for mpen early game while also giving arpen, and late game it's better against less than 200 MR if you have a Void Staff, and less than 100 MR if you don't have a void staff.

So, for burst mages, 12/18/0 is obviously better than 18/12/0. For sustained damage mages who get a lot from Deathfire Touch and typically delay Void a while such as Viktor, 18/12/0 is probably better.

For AD Assassins it's more a difference between early game and late game, because it's 7 flat arpen vs. 3+0.3 flat arpen.

18/12/0 is more an aggressive early game build because 7 flat arpen at level 1 is a lot. If you snowball, the extra sustained damage from the Ferocity keystone helps you kill a second target after you've already instagibbed the first one.

But the safer late game burst damage page is 12/18/0.

Precision being so strong also skews its value for hybrid damage dealers. Kayle for example is a champion that I think might really benefit from 12/18/0 with Precision and Stormraiders Surge.

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Gahlo

United States35160 Posts

November 11 2015 00:20 GMT

#585

The Battering Blows and Piercing Thoughts are 7%, not 7.

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

November 11 2015 00:41 GMT

#586

Oh neat they changed Battering Blows from 7 to 7%.

In that case, Precision is just blatantly better for everybody all the time.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

November 11 2015 00:46 GMT

#587

Jungle exp changes don't impact double jungling (unless it's tight, since there's as much exp total if the jungler kills every single big monster), but they mean you can't make the "camp -> tp top level 2" plan anymore, especially with TP's cd raised.

GrandInquisitor

New York City13113 Posts

November 11 2015 01:21 GMT

#588

Yeah Jax looks like he'd be really strong with 12/18/0. Possibly even 6/18/6. Nasus looks strong with 12/18/0 too.

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

November 11 2015 01:25 GMT

#589

Jax and Nasus might actually be strong with 18 resolve and strength of the undying.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

November 11 2015 05:29 GMT

#590

I haven't looked at the new stuff myself, mostly posing so I can use as a starting point tomorrow

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

November 11 2015 05:37 GMT

#591

I think for melee supports lustboys build is probably spot on.

Ranged supports probably have more options.

739

Bearded Elder29903 Posts

November 11 2015 05:43 GMT

#592

So I've played 3 games on new patch and whoa.

Graves seems like a first tier ban, nothing fun to play against him.
Didn't even notice that you can get 3 pots as starter for jungler. Nice.
New masteries seems pretty decent to be honest, I can feel difference (+ new jungle is like super easy)
There are shitload of trolls in game, because season has ended so if You don't want to grind hardcore, let it go ~~

Edit : New to figure out best masteries for ADC/AD Jungle.

Harem

United States11392 Posts

November 11 2015 09:46 GMT

#593

http://imgur.com/a/kbKWH

Phreak's opinion on what masteries to use atm

St3MoR

Spain3256 Posts

November 11 2015 09:59 GMT

#594

On November 11 2015 18:46 Harem wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/kbKWH

Phreak's opinion on what masteries to use atm

ok i'll use this as a starting point thanks a lot

Gahlo

United States35160 Posts

November 11 2015 12:15 GMT

#595

Deathfire Touch is garbage on Riven.

NotMeEver

United States100 Posts

November 11 2015 20:26 GMT

#596

Brokenshard did a stream last night covering the jungle masteries, and has posted many of the pages on Twitter.

The VoD for the stream is here.

Edit: Also, does someone want to tell Phreak that a mastery that gives +0%->+5% damage dealt based on unique champions killed is poor on non-hyper carries, compared to a consistent 2.5% increased damage against impaired targets. Especially on a champion like Riven, who gives her own CC, and is not particularly likely to clean up a ton of kills until late game.