EPTOn August 17 2015 13:50 Gahlo wrote:
You can't "not count" it. That isn't how it works.
You can't "not count" it. That isn't how it works.
You can, you just add it in later.
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
You can, you just add it in later. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
What? Old: 800 * 1.25 = 1000 New:870 * 1.15 = 1000.5 70 is not 10% | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 17 2015 14:15 Gahlo wrote: What? Old: 800 * 1.25 = 1000 New:870 * 1.15 = 1000.5 70 is not 10% Huh... Well that's embarrassing to be wrong twice in the last few posts. | ||
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Frozen Tomb (R) [new effect] Self Cast now also heals Lissandra for 100/150/200 + [(.3 AP)%], increased for 1% for each 1% health she is missing. Is this gonna make Lissandra meta again? | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5108 Posts
On August 17 2015 15:26 obesechicken13 wrote: 70 is not 10% Huh... Well that's embarrassing to be wrong twice in the last few posts. What are you talking about dude.. The moment you buy the item, the maths are applied. So, no, you can't add it later. Also, what's wrong with his post? You need 870 bonus health from items (so 870 - the 400 from cinderhulk) to get to 1000 bonus health in total. His calculations are actually correct. Mostly because it's pretty basic maths that you fail to recognize or accept for some weird reason. On August 17 2015 17:19 739 wrote: Lissandra Frozen Tomb (R) [new effect] Self Cast now also heals Lissandra for 100/150/200 + [(.3 AP)%], increased for 1% for each 1% health she is missing. Is this gonna make Lissandra meta again? Hmmmm, I don't know, my best guess is: probably. The strength in Lissandra's ult is not the self cast tbh. With this healing buff though, they might go for some sort of more tanky build with her, but that's just speculation at the moment ofcourse. I don't know if she'll survive longer is she has to selfcast and is still as squishy, it's not like she has Viktor levels of burst or anything. You might be able to get 2/3 Ice Shards off and MAYBE 2 Ring Of Frosts if you self ult and space it with a zhonyas. Problem is they can't perfectly cc you after your invulnerables so it could become very problematic. I only see it working in competitive or high level if your own team has alot of disrupt aswell. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 17 2015 19:30 Uldridge wrote: What are you talking about dude.. The moment you buy the item, the maths are applied. So, no, you can't add it later. Also, what's wrong with his post? You need 870 bonus health from items (so 870 - the 400 from cinderhulk) to get to 1000 bonus health in total. His calculations are actually correct. Mostly because it's pretty basic maths that you fail to recognize or accept for some weird reason. I'm talking about myself. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5108 Posts
What's the consensus about the newly added juggernaught items by the way, strong? weak? Is it going to give tanks a decent damage option? Do tanks NEED a decent damage option? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On August 17 2015 22:03 Uldridge wrote: Okay, my bad then, I failed to understand that. What's the consensus about the newly added juggernaught items by the way, strong? weak? Is it going to give tanks a decent damage option? Do tanks NEED a decent damage option? Remember that Juggernauts aren't strict tanks. Titanic Hydra is going to help out champions like Shen who need waveclear but were eternally forced to rush Sunfire. At the very least he'll have an option for an offensive item that isn't Triforce. Champions like Darius already bought Hydra in most cases, so now that he has sustain on his Q and Titanic meshes with his build paths now he should be switching. I have no idea about Gage. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
I'm too lazy to do exact stats on Titanic, but just eyeballing it, the cleave seems difficult to use in a teamfight. But the damage, if its the only damage item you get along with Black Cleaver, will probably be efficient enough for guys like Darius to pick up, especially as waveclear. Altogether, if you're playing some bruiser jungle (Rek/Vi/maybe Lee/maybe Skarner/maybe Shyv), you can go Cinderhulk and pick up every bruiser AD item. You'll do a lot of damage and have like 3.5k health in exchange for having garbage resists vs ADCs. I think they're a lot more interesting competitively as jungle options, because every top right now is a super tank, Rumble, or Gnar. Rumble doesn't give a shit about this stuff obviously, but Gnar will probably go Sterak's because Mega's base. It's interesting that all three of the bruiser items they've added are Health/AD mixes. Riot goes through a lot of hoops to keep BotRK champs useful against tanks because of crit. Hence why no AD/Armor item exists. (Super tanks are now even better v crit ADCs because new Randuin's tho) If you want a stupid joke splitpushing soloq build, go Darius, buy Black Cleaver, Zz'rot and then every single new item. Push lanes constantly and spam laugh every time you kill whoever they send to kill your portal. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
And yeah highest-skill-floor-in-the-game faceroll Riven is gonna have a field day since she doesn't give a shit about crit reduction, it's all bonus to her. Giving a tank titanic hydra won't make him suddenly be able to beat her shield and sustain. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
As always, it's pretty hard to care about soloq. If you're dueling Riven as a bruiser, I dunno what to say. I play tank/CDR Riven in aram when she's free, and it used to be a thing in the jungle in like.... season 3 or something? You'd go a bunch of CDR and spam stun/shield all the damn time and generally be a teamfight asshole. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Which makes me wonder how Titanic Hydra would fare on Jax, considering how his ult's active works and the buff received. It's probably less EHP gain than ulting before the burst that'll activate the shield and buff, though, and Jax needs BotRK anyway to stick to ranged opponents. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
On August 17 2015 23:36 Alaric wrote: I'm not saying they'll disappear and you'll start seeing Jax top or something, but rather that they're still nerfed, while you seems to say the contrary. Which makes me wonder how Titanic Hydra would fare on Jax, considering how his ult's active works and the buff received. It's probably less EHP gain than ulting before the burst that'll activate the shield and buff, though, and Jax needs BotRK anyway to stick to ranged opponents. Oh of course it's a nerf, pure tanks are being straight nerfed this patch, especially because Sterak is a Gnar buff. I just don't think it will matter notably in competitive because of Mao/Braum/Ali. We'll probably just see Naut top die and get replaced by Sion/maybe Trundle? Intuition makes me think Randuin's will be better against the specific subset of ADCs that are going IE/PD with Zeke's, but the health nerf could mean they overdid it. Jax gets so many free resists, you could probably justify getting Sterak's third if they won't blow you up. Health and base AD is great. I think he mostly isn't a good pick because Viktor/Azir. If you want a splitpusher, go Irelia/GP. It's more trouble than its worth to have a champion that needs two pure damage items and is below-average at 2v1. Edit: Wiki says it increases base AD and thus Tforce procs. Yeah, it should be 3rd item on Jax. Probably a lot of potential on *any* Tforce melee. | ||
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
On August 17 2015 13:31 obesechicken13 wrote: I'm not counting the health that cinderhulk itself grants because that makes the math too wonky. Cinderhulk is going from 300->400 health A 100 health increase. The bonus is going down from 25% to 15%, a 10% decrease. 10% of 1000 is 100. Oh, they're buffing the flat HP on it. It should be better for competitive and worse for solo queue. That makes sense then. Competitive junglers hardly ever get to 800 bonus hp before the game is over and it'll prevent those champs from snowballing harder. In solo q it's more of a nerf. Anyway, one thing about all the armour changes is, a lot of champs are getting more armour per level. Like Ali and Braum needed to dominate the meta more with more tankiness. Due to that, I think the armour item changes are more or less a wash. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On August 18 2015 11:49 Sonnington wrote: Oh, they're buffing the flat HP on it. It should be better for competitive and worse for solo queue. That makes sense then. Competitive junglers hardly ever get to 800 bonus hp before the game is over and it'll prevent those champs from snowballing harder. In solo q it's more of a nerf. Anyway, one thing about all the armour changes is, a lot of champs are getting more armour per level. Like Ali and Braum needed to dominate the meta more with more tankiness. Due to that, I think the armour item changes are more or less a wash. What helps new Cinderhulk is the limits itemization practically puts on health. Not being able to usually buy HP in amounts less than 150 artificially raises the breakpoints. Cinder + Randuin's + Locket New: 1191.4 Old: 1170 Cinder + Randuin's + Locket + Ruby Crystal New: 1363.9 Old: 1357.5 Cinder + Randuin's + Locket + Crystalin Bracer or Kindlegem New: 1421.4 Old: 1420 Cinder + Randuin's + Locket + Ruby Crystal + Relic Shield New: 1450.15 Old: 1451.25 Cinder + Randuin's + Locket + Crystalin Bracer or Kindlegem + Relic Shield New: 1507.65 Old: 1513.75 Cinder + Randuin's + Locket + Double Ruby Crystal New: 1536.4 Old: 1545 As you can see, it takes a bit to actually hit an in game break point, 936 extra bonus HP unless you're buying the TL secret OP FotM. Then it's 861. *incase you were wondering the 36 comes from 9 Defense. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
www.surrenderat20.net My guesses are Leona, Lucian, Zed, Fiora | ||
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On August 18 2015 14:41 Osmoses wrote: Guess the Project teaser was for 5 skins, not just one. www.surrenderat20.net My guesses are Leona, Lucian, Zed, Fiora I think Yi/Jax is somewhere there as well. | ||
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eagle
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