[Public Beta Environment] General Discussion - Page 8

On August 20 2015 00:25 Sonnington wrote:


It's actually not much slower than a Morg Q. It's just the cast animation is much, much longer. The hitbox is also really small. Probably about the size of a Lux Q.

You know what, making her passive cast faster after death would make a huge difference in reliability. We're all thinking they're going to buff her, which I'm hoping for, but what if they decide she does too much damage because she has too much utility?

On August 20 2015 02:28 cLutZ wrote:

She doesn't have much utility and what she has is fairly unreliable. Just looking at the meta she should more damage than Azir and at least as much as Viktor.

On August 20 2015 03:23 Sonnington wrote:

I think you mean to say she should have more damage? According to champion.gg she's the 4th highest damage dealer among mids. Third highest among supports. At level 6, if you full combo the enemy with ignite they'll die or come extremely close to dying.

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=Middle&sortBy=general.totalDamageDealtToChampions&order=descend

Her E is unreliable, but her plants spawned by E apply a slow on every hit. Then her ult is a good counter engage or followup to landing an E. At the very least it creates a large area of zone control. You also have to consider her plants as zone control in and of themselves. Especially once she gets a Rylai's and starts applying slows on her longer range Q plants.

You know what would be a super sick buff to Zyra? If they reduced the time it took her R to close and knock enemies up. You wouldn't have to put so many points into E in order to hold them in place to combo them.

On August 20 2015 03:56 cLutZ wrote:


I meant she need to have really sick damage, but those stats are kind of meaningless because not all damage is equal. The faster ult close would be good because it could actually be used offensively then, but that would be very strong.

On August 21 2015 04:15 Alaric wrote:
"We are open to build diversity but fuck bruiser Fizz."

On August 21 2015 04:38 Slusher wrote:
they coulda just taken physical damage amp off of his ult, nerfing w on top of it is a little overkill, the silver lining here is mid Fizz maxes w last so at that point the higher ratio should make up for the damage lost, not sure top Fizz is even approaching good with significantly reduced base damage on his first max..

I know I'll get some pushback here but the only thing 'op' about ad Fizz was the burst damage from Bork active and sheen getting amped by ult, without that I really don't think top Fizz is any more op than any of the other playable top triforce carries.

tl;dr top Fizz probly dead if these are the final changes, should not effect mid Fizz at least(though I think Mid FIzz is pretty middle of the pack if you aren't counterpicking atm).