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On September 16 2015 08:12 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 08:10 Goumindong wrote:On September 16 2015 06:50 Slusher wrote:
they probably have no choice because of the new hero Which basically means that the new hero is dumb. not convinced that people will not just ignore her passive on jungle camps and take her bot lane anyway
Now that we have the details of it... yeah.
For jungling Hunt only spawns on Scuttlecrabs and enemy jungle camps, and once you're at 6 stacks they stop spawning (however you got those stacks). Getting a Scuttlecrab or two while laning isn't out of the question, so on average you probably don't come out signficantly behind on stacks from laning.
1.25% of your target's current health in physical bonus damage per stack is okay, but not really enough to create a huge incentive to jungle Kindred when the stack difference won't be significant. Yeah, you can't hunt the same champion within a 4 minute window, but in bot lane you've got two champions to hunt and if you're killing them faster than you can hunt them you've probably won the game anyway.
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I don't really get the point of the random hunt thing only spawning on enemy camps or crab. She's going to get shit on by any duelist in the jungle so trying to create an incentive to just overextend seems dumb.
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Maybe they're trying to tailor a champ to actually get poachers.
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I doubt it, they said they were going to remove poachers during next preseason.
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Yea jungle changes so often I doubt they'd make someone specifically for a jungle item that may not even be around in a years time.
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IDK, I think Kindred will see more play in the jungle than as ADC. She is pretty safe during a full clear even for a newbie like myself and has no mana problems. Jungling is a good way to be part of the action on the map and so gives you flexibility to get stacks from assists or possibly a camp if you see their jungler. Moreover with a few stacks it's ridiculously easy to solo dragon and baron goes down a lot quicker (I think it's uncapped). I just feel that in lane her abilities and stats (500 AA range and .625 base AS) don't make her a strong bully or a super strong AA scaler which she would need if she wanted to go on the offensive for stacks. I don't think 1.25% per stack should be underestimated either.
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I think her ult is a bigger reason to keep her out of the lane. It makes you very safe, but it's also relatively weak offensively. If you can tower dive your opponents and use it to keep whoever's taking tower hits alive immediately after you get kills then okay, but outside of that singular circumstance you're not going to be able to use it to suppress your opponents.
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YES ! SHOW TEAM FRAMES ON LEFT HAS BEEN ADDED <3
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On September 16 2015 23:02 Numy wrote:
I don't really get the point of the random hunt thing only spawning on enemy camps or crab. She's going to get shit on by any duelist in the jungle so trying to create an incentive to just overextend seems dumb.
putting the hunt thing on friendly camps seems like it might be too powerful to balance or something
though I guess you could tune the numbers waaaaay down, but based on what rioters say after every devourer change they don't like strictly afk farm jungles, even if you're farm intensive they want you to interact with the rest of your team, I think straight powerfarming for 20+ minutes is something they want to avoid incentivizing too much
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On September 18 2015 00:55 phyvo wrote:
IDK, I think Kindred will see more play in the jungle than as ADC. She is pretty safe during a full clear even for a newbie like myself and has no mana problems. Jungling is a good way to be part of the action on the map and so gives you flexibility to get stacks from assists or possibly a camp if you see their jungler. Moreover with a few stacks it's ridiculously easy to solo dragon and baron goes down a lot quicker (I think it's uncapped). I just feel that in lane her abilities and stats (500 AA range and .625 base AS) don't make her a strong bully or a super strong AA scaler which she would need if she wanted to go on the offensive for stacks. I don't think 1.25% per stack should be underestimated either.
I think she's way too open to just getting abused by a good early aggro jungler like lee or elise though
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On September 18 2015 17:44 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 23:02 Numy wrote:
I don't really get the point of the random hunt thing only spawning on enemy camps or crab. She's going to get shit on by any duelist in the jungle so trying to create an incentive to just overextend seems dumb. putting the hunt thing on friendly camps seems like it might be too powerful to balance or something though I guess you could tune the numbers waaaaay down, but based on what rioters say after every devourer change they don't like strictly afk farm jungles, even if you're farm intensive they want you to interact with the rest of your team, I think straight powerfarming for 20+ minutes is something they want to avoid incentivizing too much
The mechanic would make more sense on a jungle that can use it though. Feels like they wanted some kind of incentive for people to jungle her so forced this hunt thing on her when she's not really the kind of hero that'll want to be roaming around in enemy jungle.
I'm thinking mid lane is prob the best bet if you want to stack up your passive and get safe farm. Just depends on if mid lane goes back to more control mages or aggressive laners. Her range is a bit low for sieging though and her roam is worse than Quinn so kind of doubt we'll see her there anyway. I kind of have my doubts we'll ever see this champ at all unless her numbers are bonkers.
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On September 18 2015 17:23 739 wrote:
YES ! SHOW TEAM FRAMES ON LEFT HAS BEEN ADDED <3
Well I'm glad it only took them a few months
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I was watching Wings use Kindred mid and was having pretty strong results. She has pretty strong sustain and he was coordinating with the jungler to mark crabs for stacks. Of course this is PBE and he was likely going against terribads, but he felt the sustain alone was pretty OP.
Edit: If I recall the build he was going for properly, it was BoRK into FM into Hurricane. He didn't get to FM because his team lost every other lane and was rolled.
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I feel like, on a pure math aspect. BotRK into Whisper into maybe AS -> tank. Especially from the mid lane. Your range is so low that you have to be tanky especially from the jungle. You get free AS anyway and do physical damage so the whisper is necessary. You have a slow so no need to buy the inefficient FM
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So the old pantheon special? Brut into Whisper into ghostblade?
Does she have good base damage? It would seem like adding AS and another prof first would be better than straight pen (then of course, pen right after)
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