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On September 11 2015 05:38 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2015 05:05 Osmoses wrote:
Lol now GPs barrels are down to 40% armor pen. Approaching the nerfed-to-uselessness event horizon. And here i thought the potential counterplay to GPs barrels was the whole point they were powerful, I've been neutered so hard in teamfights because ONE person on the other team took the time to lasthit my barrels and hey, then you're OUT of barrels and can't do a damn thing. Yea, they only have the strongest armor pen in the game, stronger than any item, stronger than any ult, and also on a normal ability which lets you wave clear and get bonus gold.
Eh Yasuo ult is pretty good armor pen too, but I get what you're saying. It's possible his potential is high and I still just suck with GP. I've seen people with mastery tier 4 be absolute shit with barrels.
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On September 11 2015 12:14 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2015 05:38 Goumindong wrote:On September 10 2015 05:05 Osmoses wrote:
Lol now GPs barrels are down to 40% armor pen. Approaching the nerfed-to-uselessness event horizon. And here i thought the potential counterplay to GPs barrels was the whole point they were powerful, I've been neutered so hard in teamfights because ONE person on the other team took the time to lasthit my barrels and hey, then you're OUT of barrels and can't do a damn thing. Yea, they only have the strongest armor pen in the game, stronger than any item, stronger than any ult, and also on a normal ability which lets you wave clear and get bonus gold. Eh Yasuo ult is pretty good armor pen too, but I get what you're saying. It's possible his potential is high and I still just suck with GP. I've seen people with mastery tier 4 be absolute shit with barrels.
But Yasuo's is only bonus armor. GP is all armor. Discounting Thresh, that's ~33 armor Yasuo doesn't break through on Mini-Gnar at level 18, the lowest base armor in the game.
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My point is yasuo doesn't take time to setup (that delay seems more like 1 second), during which any champ in the game can just righclick your barrels and completely negate you, after which you need to wait for your barrels to replenish before trying again. Not to mention you're a squishy, so you can be deleted.
Point is, with great counterplay SHOULD come great potential.
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^ idk why are you arguing gp is pretty broken right now and gets deserved nerf, im convinced he will still remain viable after that
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You say he's broken, what are you even basing this on? All the data available will tell you you're wrong, if you think people just haven't learned how to play him yet then maybe wait until they do and the data actually supports what you are saying, because right now it's all anectodal and how hard a GP destroyed you in that soloq game that one time is not a compelling argument.
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On September 11 2015 16:07 Osmoses wrote:
My point is yasuo doesn't take time to setup (that delay seems more like 1 second), during which any champ in the game can just righclick your barrels and completely negate you, after which you need to wait for your barrels to replenish before trying again. Not to mention you're a squishy, so you can be deleted.
Point is, with great counterplay SHOULD come great potential.
Yeah, they can rightclick your barrels if you give them on in range to.
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On September 11 2015 21:14 Osmoses wrote:
Are you serious? -_-
Have you not watched any professional GP games?
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Most of the really good GPs never have barrels in range of people just right clicking them. They only put the barrel on top when they can do the combo. It's also amazing zone control because if you are in range to right click the barrel you are also in range of GPs combo.
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I dunno what professional GP games you're talking about Gahlo but the once I've seen were pretty underwhelming.
Because of the delay nerf from the last patch you can no longer just EEE and combo from safe distance anymore. A triple barrel combo take like 3-4 seconds to set up and explode now, not terribly useful unless you already have complete lockdown on the enemy team, and in that case you might as well just set a barrel right on the target and shoot.
That's not really the scenario I'm describing. I'm talking about the typical teamfight where people are running around and you are trying to kill something. According to you I should place barrels out of range of whatever I'm trying to kill. Great. Now they are running in the other direction and because of the delay I can't combo shit.
Anyone who has played the new GP at all since the nerf likely realized your best bet is to place the first barrel as close to the target as possible, then shoot and place the second barrel in the direction they're trying to run.
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He's most likely talking about GBM,Pawn,Ssumday and some of Soaz's games. You should check out those series if you haven't.
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Those series weren't played with the delay nerf were they? Because I'd love to see how they got around that crap.
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They weren't. There're no series played on 5.17. We'll have to see at worlds on 5.18 if GP is still played or not.
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really depends on how many more nerfs he sees, 5.17 GP is 100% competitive viable still but I do agree with Osmoses that the setup is significantly nerfed, so the payoff should be big.
These nerfs are probably fine, but I'm not sure, losing 10 more arp on top of 20 base damage is one of those nerfs where I'm not going to know exactly how much of a damage loss that is without trying it.
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[ "Ranged champions trigger this every fourth attack instead."]
Man please no, Vayne is only time jungle is actually fun nowadays.
pls no kill rito
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they probably have no choice because of the new hero
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And nobody else ranged uses it besides joke junglers and Kayle, who they had to pummel repeatedly to keep in line. Pretty clearly not balanced for ranged junglers.
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On September 16 2015 06:50 Slusher wrote:
they probably have no choice because of the new hero
Which basically means that the new hero is dumb.
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On September 16 2015 08:10 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 06:50 Slusher wrote:
they probably have no choice because of the new hero Which basically means that the new hero is dumb.
not convinced that people will not just ignore her passive on jungle camps and take her bot lane anyway
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