EPTOn May 14 2014 09:08 nafta wrote:
Everyone who doesnt have him on his team does.
Everyone who doesnt have him on his team does.
I hate him regardless if hes on my team or not.
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Disengaged
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I hate him regardless if hes on my team or not. | ||
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GolemMadness
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Kenpachi
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Goumindong
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
It doesn't mean his late game is useless, but it's certainly not as good as a lot of other junglers. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35166 Posts
On May 14 2014 12:58 Sufficiency wrote: Well, my data suggests he wins 57% of games under 25 minutes, and gradually decrease to ~47% as game drags on. It doesn't mean his late game is useless, but it's certainly not as good as a lot of other junglers. Your data also suggests that Anivia is an early game powerhouse and sucks late. On May 14 2014 12:29 justiceknight wrote: how is corki scary when his Q got destroyed LOL Because it got a massive buff and he saw play because of it. lol | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On May 14 2014 13:00 Gahlo wrote: Your data also suggests that Anivia is an early game powerhouse and sucks late. I am pretty sure I didn't suggest it. I found it "odd", because it was against what I originally thought. The same with Ziggs. Perhaps her late game DOES suck. Or perhaps my methodology has flaws (you are more than welcome to point it out). However, given that it does detect the pattern with a lot of commonly agreed upon strong late/early champions, I have confidence that there is something about Anivia that is holding her back. It's not just the AP ratio that makes a champion strong in late game, after all. | ||
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Celial
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sharky246
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On May 13 2014 08:10 NeoIllusions wrote: About TL LoL's future: TeamLiquid is stepping back from the block forum layout. The forum used to be grouped by games but atm it's by Tournaments (with all the game tournament subforums), then General, etc, etc. We're essentially reverting back to the old games format where SC2 and BW take front and center. TL LoL will move under Other Games but we'll still have our three subforums still. I've done my best over the past 16 months to get TL to see the worth of League but due to various communication errors and currently the lack of manpower, a LoL standalone site will not happen. I don't foresee it happening either. Regardless, I'm still content with our community. It's highly reminiscent of the OG BW community. I had my doubts about this for a while but is it true that the other non-lol mods in TL have a grudge against lol? Because it's a 'casual' game and riot just throws money into the scene so doesn't deserve to be the no.1 esports game but is doing better than their beloved, community driven and high skill ceiling games sc2 and dota 2? | ||
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Sufficiency
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Gahlo
United States35166 Posts
On May 14 2014 13:07 Sufficiency wrote: I am pretty sure I didn't suggest it. I found it "odd", because it was against what I originally thought. The same with Ziggs. Perhaps her late game DOES suck. Or perhaps my methodology has flaws (you are more than welcome to point it out). However, given that it does detect the pattern with a lot of commonly agreed upon strong late/early champions, I have confidence that there is something about Anivia that is holding her back. It's not just the AP ratio that makes a champion strong in late game, after all. I said your data, not you. Her late game doesn't suck, otherwise Froggen wouldn't have played her in S2. CLG.EU picked late game comps purely so they could stall out games until the point where they'd destroy everybody in teamfights. It's probably more likely that her late game winrate in soloq is so poor because people are impatient, or as a slow champion she is picked often due to poor warding when death timers are massive and 1 kill seals the game. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On May 14 2014 13:11 Sufficiency wrote: They are just bitter that the "casual" game has essentially taken over SC2 to be the premier e-sports in Korea. lol is the spiritual successor to bw that sc2 never could be i'll ignore lastshadow's involvement in the scene to keep this statement valid | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 14 2014 13:36 Gahlo wrote: I said your data, not you. Her late game doesn't suck, otherwise Froggen wouldn't have played her in S2. CLG.EU picked late game comps purely so they could stall out games until the point where they'd destroy everybody in teamfights. It's probably more likely that her late game winrate in soloq is so poor because people are impatient, or as a slow champion she is picked often due to poor warding when death timers are massive and 1 kill seals the game. What I was also said when his data came out, is that because of both Ziggs and Anivia's waveclear, they are able to stall games where their team is sucking terribly, so a lot of games Anivia and Ziggs would have lost at 25 mins, are pushed to 40 minutes, where their still terrible teammates throw in new and inventive ways. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On May 14 2014 13:36 Gahlo wrote: I said your data, not you. Her late game doesn't suck, otherwise Froggen wouldn't have played her in S2. CLG.EU picked late game comps purely so they could stall out games until the point where they'd destroy everybody in teamfights. It's probably more likely that her late game winrate in soloq is so poor because people are impatient, or as a slow champion she is picked often due to poor warding when death timers are massive and 1 kill seals the game. I don't think talking about late game scaling champs in terms of season 2 is all that great of an idea. The game was very different in season 2. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On May 14 2014 13:38 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: lol is the spiritual successor to bw that sc2 never could be i'll ignore lastshadow's involvement in the scene to keep this statement valid Like I said before, I'd actually give LS benefit of the doubt. I don't really care what he did before if he can turn SHC into a great EULCS team. The likeliness of this happening I can't really say; I also seriously doubt he has actual coaching experience (he probably only has experience being coached, which sort of kind of count as well), but I know for sure that he has a lot to gain for doing this job well. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On May 14 2014 13:46 cLutZ wrote: What I was also said when his data came out, is that because of both Ziggs and Anivia's waveclear, they are able to stall games where their team is sucking terribly, so a lot of games Anivia and Ziggs would have lost at 25 mins, are pushed to 40 minutes, where their still terrible teammates throw in new and inventive ways. Thanks, that's the argument I had at the tip of my tongue. I kept thinking about something it but I couldn't recall exactly what it was. So yeah. I think that's a totally valid analysis of Anivia and Ziggs and great criticism of my methodology. Now I want to hear about this Pantheon, Gahlo | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
If in a couple months SHC has a bunch of stories about how terrible a guy he is, we know he hasn't changed. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35166 Posts
On May 14 2014 14:07 Sufficiency wrote: Thanks, that's the argument I had at the tip of my tongue. I kept thinking about something it but I couldn't recall exactly what it was. So yeah. I think that's a totally valid analysis of Anivia and Ziggs and great criticism of my methodology. Now I want to hear about this Pantheon, Gahlo I haven't payed enough attention to Pantheon to come up with a theory. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On May 14 2014 14:07 Ketara wrote: Lets put the LS debate this way. If in a couple months SHC has a bunch of stories about how terrible a guy he is, we know he hasn't changed. I am curious about how much SHC knows about this guy. | ||
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krndandaman
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