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Updated TL LoL policy in regards to the use of "lomo"

In regards to theorycrafting and hyperbole, please have firsthand experience of the scenario before giving your input

Future of TL LoL, post Liquid`Dota standalone site
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
May 14 2014 03:38 GMT
#881
On May 14 2014 09:08 nafta wrote:
Everyone who doesnt have him on his team does.


I hate him regardless if hes on my team or not.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 14 2014 03:42 GMT
#882
Twitch was being played in OGN before the VU.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
May 14 2014 03:43 GMT
#883
Why do people always exclaim Pantheon is beyond useless late game? I've always found that he's relevant in this meta all game long really..
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
May 14 2014 03:58 GMT
#884
He doesn't have a 5v5 team fight ult. Globals are weaker late because you don't have time to get to a fight with it unless you're really up on your vision and engage.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 14 2014 03:58 GMT
#885
Well, my data suggests he wins 57% of games under 25 minutes, and gradually decrease to ~47% as game drags on.

It doesn't mean his late game is useless, but it's certainly not as good as a lot of other junglers.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 14 2014 04:00 GMT
#886
On May 14 2014 12:58 Sufficiency wrote:
Well, my data suggests he wins 57% of games under 25 minutes, and gradually decrease to ~47% as game drags on.

It doesn't mean his late game is useless, but it's certainly not as good as a lot of other junglers.

Your data also suggests that Anivia is an early game powerhouse and sucks late.

On May 14 2014 12:29 justiceknight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 12:19 Anakko wrote:
To add to the conversation, Corki is still scary as fuck.


how is corki scary when his Q got destroyed LOL

Because it got a massive buff and he saw play because of it. lol
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 14 2014 04:07 GMT
#887
On May 14 2014 13:00 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 12:58 Sufficiency wrote:
Well, my data suggests he wins 57% of games under 25 minutes, and gradually decrease to ~47% as game drags on.

It doesn't mean his late game is useless, but it's certainly not as good as a lot of other junglers.

Your data also suggests that Anivia is an early game powerhouse and sucks late.



I am pretty sure I didn't suggest it. I found it "odd", because it was against what I originally thought. The same with Ziggs.

Perhaps her late game DOES suck. Or perhaps my methodology has flaws (you are more than welcome to point it out). However, given that it does detect the pattern with a lot of commonly agreed upon strong late/early champions, I have confidence that there is something about Anivia that is holding her back.

It's not just the AP ratio that makes a champion strong in late game, after all.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
May 14 2014 04:09 GMT
#888
I am scared by Plexa always appearing mere seconds after someone remotely mentions something...
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
sharky246
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1197 Posts
May 14 2014 04:10 GMT
#889
On May 13 2014 08:10 NeoIllusions wrote:
About TL LoL's future:

TeamLiquid is stepping back from the block forum layout. The forum used to be grouped by games but atm it's by Tournaments (with all the game tournament subforums), then General, etc, etc.

We're essentially reverting back to the old games format where SC2 and BW take front and center. TL LoL will move under Other Games but we'll still have our three subforums still.

I've done my best over the past 16 months to get TL to see the worth of League but due to various communication errors and currently the lack of manpower, a LoL standalone site will not happen. I don't foresee it happening either. Regardless, I'm still content with our community. It's highly reminiscent of the OG BW community.

I had my doubts about this for a while but is it true that the other non-lol mods in TL have a grudge against lol? Because it's a 'casual' game and riot just throws money into the scene so doesn't deserve to be the no.1 esports game but is doing better than their beloved, community driven and high skill ceiling games sc2 and dota 2?
On January 03 2011 13:14 IdrA wrote: being high on the ladder doesnt get you any closer to your goal. Avoiding practice to protect your rating is absurd. If you want to be good go play 40 games a day and stop thinking about becoming a pro.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 14 2014 04:11 GMT
#890
They are just bitter that the "casual" game has essentially taken over SC2 to be the premier e-sports in Korea.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 14 2014 04:36 GMT
#891
On May 14 2014 13:07 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 13:00 Gahlo wrote:
On May 14 2014 12:58 Sufficiency wrote:
Well, my data suggests he wins 57% of games under 25 minutes, and gradually decrease to ~47% as game drags on.

It doesn't mean his late game is useless, but it's certainly not as good as a lot of other junglers.

Your data also suggests that Anivia is an early game powerhouse and sucks late.



I am pretty sure I didn't suggest it. I found it "odd", because it was against what I originally thought. The same with Ziggs.

Perhaps her late game DOES suck. Or perhaps my methodology has flaws (you are more than welcome to point it out). However, given that it does detect the pattern with a lot of commonly agreed upon strong late/early champions, I have confidence that there is something about Anivia that is holding her back.

It's not just the AP ratio that makes a champion strong in late game, after all.

I said your data, not you. Her late game doesn't suck, otherwise Froggen wouldn't have played her in S2. CLG.EU picked late game comps purely so they could stall out games until the point where they'd destroy everybody in teamfights. It's probably more likely that her late game winrate in soloq is so poor because people are impatient, or as a slow champion she is picked often due to poor warding when death timers are massive and 1 kill seals the game.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 04:38:57
May 14 2014 04:38 GMT
#892
On May 14 2014 13:11 Sufficiency wrote:
They are just bitter that the "casual" game has essentially taken over SC2 to be the premier e-sports in Korea.


lol is the spiritual successor to bw that sc2 never could be

i'll ignore lastshadow's involvement in the scene to keep this statement valid
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 14 2014 04:46 GMT
#893
On May 14 2014 13:36 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 13:07 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 14 2014 13:00 Gahlo wrote:
On May 14 2014 12:58 Sufficiency wrote:
Well, my data suggests he wins 57% of games under 25 minutes, and gradually decrease to ~47% as game drags on.

It doesn't mean his late game is useless, but it's certainly not as good as a lot of other junglers.

Your data also suggests that Anivia is an early game powerhouse and sucks late.



I am pretty sure I didn't suggest it. I found it "odd", because it was against what I originally thought. The same with Ziggs.

Perhaps her late game DOES suck. Or perhaps my methodology has flaws (you are more than welcome to point it out). However, given that it does detect the pattern with a lot of commonly agreed upon strong late/early champions, I have confidence that there is something about Anivia that is holding her back.

It's not just the AP ratio that makes a champion strong in late game, after all.

I said your data, not you. Her late game doesn't suck, otherwise Froggen wouldn't have played her in S2. CLG.EU picked late game comps purely so they could stall out games until the point where they'd destroy everybody in teamfights. It's probably more likely that her late game winrate in soloq is so poor because people are impatient, or as a slow champion she is picked often due to poor warding when death timers are massive and 1 kill seals the game.


What I was also said when his data came out, is that because of both Ziggs and Anivia's waveclear, they are able to stall games where their team is sucking terribly, so a lot of games Anivia and Ziggs would have lost at 25 mins, are pushed to 40 minutes, where their still terrible teammates throw in new and inventive ways.
Freeeeeeedom
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 14 2014 04:48 GMT
#894
On May 14 2014 13:36 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 13:07 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 14 2014 13:00 Gahlo wrote:
On May 14 2014 12:58 Sufficiency wrote:
Well, my data suggests he wins 57% of games under 25 minutes, and gradually decrease to ~47% as game drags on.

It doesn't mean his late game is useless, but it's certainly not as good as a lot of other junglers.

Your data also suggests that Anivia is an early game powerhouse and sucks late.



I am pretty sure I didn't suggest it. I found it "odd", because it was against what I originally thought. The same with Ziggs.

Perhaps her late game DOES suck. Or perhaps my methodology has flaws (you are more than welcome to point it out). However, given that it does detect the pattern with a lot of commonly agreed upon strong late/early champions, I have confidence that there is something about Anivia that is holding her back.

It's not just the AP ratio that makes a champion strong in late game, after all.

I said your data, not you. Her late game doesn't suck, otherwise Froggen wouldn't have played her in S2. CLG.EU picked late game comps purely so they could stall out games until the point where they'd destroy everybody in teamfights. It's probably more likely that her late game winrate in soloq is so poor because people are impatient, or as a slow champion she is picked often due to poor warding when death timers are massive and 1 kill seals the game.


I don't think talking about late game scaling champs in terms of season 2 is all that great of an idea.

The game was very different in season 2.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 14 2014 05:00 GMT
#895
On May 14 2014 13:38 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 13:11 Sufficiency wrote:
They are just bitter that the "casual" game has essentially taken over SC2 to be the premier e-sports in Korea.


lol is the spiritual successor to bw that sc2 never could be

i'll ignore lastshadow's involvement in the scene to keep this statement valid


Like I said before, I'd actually give LS benefit of the doubt. I don't really care what he did before if he can turn SHC into a great EULCS team. The likeliness of this happening I can't really say; I also seriously doubt he has actual coaching experience (he probably only has experience being coached, which sort of kind of count as well), but I know for sure that he has a lot to gain for doing this job well.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 05:07:36
May 14 2014 05:07 GMT
#896
On May 14 2014 13:46 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 13:36 Gahlo wrote:
On May 14 2014 13:07 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 14 2014 13:00 Gahlo wrote:
On May 14 2014 12:58 Sufficiency wrote:
Well, my data suggests he wins 57% of games under 25 minutes, and gradually decrease to ~47% as game drags on.

It doesn't mean his late game is useless, but it's certainly not as good as a lot of other junglers.

Your data also suggests that Anivia is an early game powerhouse and sucks late.



I am pretty sure I didn't suggest it. I found it "odd", because it was against what I originally thought. The same with Ziggs.

Perhaps her late game DOES suck. Or perhaps my methodology has flaws (you are more than welcome to point it out). However, given that it does detect the pattern with a lot of commonly agreed upon strong late/early champions, I have confidence that there is something about Anivia that is holding her back.

It's not just the AP ratio that makes a champion strong in late game, after all.

I said your data, not you. Her late game doesn't suck, otherwise Froggen wouldn't have played her in S2. CLG.EU picked late game comps purely so they could stall out games until the point where they'd destroy everybody in teamfights. It's probably more likely that her late game winrate in soloq is so poor because people are impatient, or as a slow champion she is picked often due to poor warding when death timers are massive and 1 kill seals the game.


What I was also said when his data came out, is that because of both Ziggs and Anivia's waveclear, they are able to stall games where their team is sucking terribly, so a lot of games Anivia and Ziggs would have lost at 25 mins, are pushed to 40 minutes, where their still terrible teammates throw in new and inventive ways.


Thanks, that's the argument I had at the tip of my tongue. I kept thinking about something it but I couldn't recall exactly what it was.

So yeah. I think that's a totally valid analysis of Anivia and Ziggs and great criticism of my methodology. Now I want to hear about this Pantheon, Gahlo
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 14 2014 05:07 GMT
#897
Lets put the LS debate this way.

If in a couple months SHC has a bunch of stories about how terrible a guy he is, we know he hasn't changed.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 14 2014 05:09 GMT
#898
On May 14 2014 14:07 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 13:46 cLutZ wrote:
On May 14 2014 13:36 Gahlo wrote:
On May 14 2014 13:07 Sufficiency wrote:
On May 14 2014 13:00 Gahlo wrote:
On May 14 2014 12:58 Sufficiency wrote:
Well, my data suggests he wins 57% of games under 25 minutes, and gradually decrease to ~47% as game drags on.

It doesn't mean his late game is useless, but it's certainly not as good as a lot of other junglers.

Your data also suggests that Anivia is an early game powerhouse and sucks late.



I am pretty sure I didn't suggest it. I found it "odd", because it was against what I originally thought. The same with Ziggs.

Perhaps her late game DOES suck. Or perhaps my methodology has flaws (you are more than welcome to point it out). However, given that it does detect the pattern with a lot of commonly agreed upon strong late/early champions, I have confidence that there is something about Anivia that is holding her back.

It's not just the AP ratio that makes a champion strong in late game, after all.

I said your data, not you. Her late game doesn't suck, otherwise Froggen wouldn't have played her in S2. CLG.EU picked late game comps purely so they could stall out games until the point where they'd destroy everybody in teamfights. It's probably more likely that her late game winrate in soloq is so poor because people are impatient, or as a slow champion she is picked often due to poor warding when death timers are massive and 1 kill seals the game.


What I was also said when his data came out, is that because of both Ziggs and Anivia's waveclear, they are able to stall games where their team is sucking terribly, so a lot of games Anivia and Ziggs would have lost at 25 mins, are pushed to 40 minutes, where their still terrible teammates throw in new and inventive ways.


Thanks, that's the argument I had at the tip of my tongue. I kept thinking about something it but I couldn't recall exactly what it was.

So yeah. I think that's a totally valid analysis of Anivia and Ziggs and great criticism of my methodology. Now I want to hear about this Pantheon, Gahlo

I haven't payed enough attention to Pantheon to come up with a theory.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 14 2014 05:10 GMT
#899
On May 14 2014 14:07 Ketara wrote:
Lets put the LS debate this way.

If in a couple months SHC has a bunch of stories about how terrible a guy he is, we know he hasn't changed.


I am curious about how much SHC knows about this guy.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 14 2014 05:30 GMT
#900
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