EPTPantheon has a weaker late game because of it
[Patch 4.7] Braum General Discussion - Page 46
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
Pantheon has a weaker late game because of it | ||
739
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
That Q skillshoot is pretty hard to land actually, especially during laning phase when there are minions hanging around and the skill is pretty easily dodgeable. Anyway I do really like his kit, especially the shield. Damn, shield is awesome. Also ult nice for initiation/counter-initiation. I'll play him a lot more in next few days so maybe I'll change my mind or I was just playing with godawful adc in lane. Note that I'm sitting in Silver so my opinion is relevant to low levels. | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
Someone mentioned it before, but Randuin's is completely insane when you think about it. Band aid to fix the penetration problem? I think yes. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35166 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
I've got a friend who's a big Lux fan and they've been having trouble lately vs. mid Yasuo's, and I want to try and help them out, but I don't know the matchup all that well. Does jungler have to camp mid to stop him from snowballing? Is it a bad matchup for Lux in general? Or is it a case of just punishing him whenever he goes to CS? | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On May 14 2014 16:19 Kinie wrote: So, how would you guys go about combating a Yasuo mid as a Lux? I've got a friend who's a big Lux fan and they've been having trouble lately vs. mid Yasuo's, and I want to try and help them out, but I don't know the matchup all that well. Does jungler have to camp mid to stop him from snowballing? Is it a bad matchup for Lux in general? Or is it a case of just punishing him whenever he goes to CS? Yasuo has the number of most champs that rely on skillshots landing in the laning phase. It doesnt help that Lux has slow windup animations for her spells too, its just asking for a wind wall | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Inversely, you're immobile and squishy so where as you have very little kill chance on yasuo he has loads. Bad match up, you can afk farm it out with E and ult but the eternal presence of the wind wall is agony for poor lux. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On May 14 2014 15:01 739 wrote: So I've played a couple of Braum games and I came to conlusion that he's a decent support with a nice kit BUT there is nothing OP about it. I guess Riot will still nerf his passive somehow, because it's a powerfull tool in teamfights. That Q skillshoot is pretty hard to land actually, especially during laning phase when there are minions hanging around and the skill is pretty easily dodgeable. Anyway I do really like his kit, especially the shield. Damn, shield is awesome. Also ult nice for initiation/counter-initiation. I'll play him a lot more in next few days so maybe I'll change my mind or I was just playing with godawful adc in lane. Note that I'm sitting in Silver so my opinion is relevant to low levels. He's definitely too strong right now. In challenger he must have a 60%+ win rate. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4134 Posts
On May 14 2014 16:50 GolemMadness wrote: He's definitely too strong right now. In challenger he must have a 60%+ win rate. I cannot understand why is this, coz his abilities don't look op or smth, but he somehow wins every trade vs any combo bot lane. Perhaps his numbers are too good or something, but again I don't think his skill set is broken | ||
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Gahlo
United States35166 Posts
On May 14 2014 16:59 M2 wrote: I cannot understand why is this, coz his abilities don't look op or smth, but he somehow wins every trade vs any combo bot lane. Perhaps his numbers are too good or something, but again I don't think his skill set is broken The W>E combo just tanks way too much. I saw a Braum shield absorb almost an entire MF ult after he got rolled in lane. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On May 14 2014 17:02 Gahlo wrote: The shield just tanks way too much. I saw a Braum shield absorb almost an entire MF ult after he got rolled in lane. Man almost every new champion seems to screw over MF, I struggle to see what can be done to make her good again if every new champ and their dog can cancel or straight up block her ult. I'm aware of her win rate and I don't get it, I guess she might be good in the ultra specific contexts where she's a viable idea. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On May 14 2014 16:49 Fusilero wrote: It's a pretty bad match up, you kind of have to time your harass. When your wave is weak he'll have less chance to spam his dash which is your chance to unload E > AA (I'm assuming at least you've kept his shield down with AAs) but overall since he can just wind wall all of your spells your ability to assist a jungle gank is limited unless it's a jungler like kha who can just straight up kill him while you throw your shield out for the "I'M HELPING" assist. Inversely, you're immobile and squishy so where as you have very little kill chance on yasuo he has loads. Bad match up, you can afk farm it out with E and ult but the eternal presence of the wind wall is agony for poor lux. That's what I thought, thanks. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On May 14 2014 17:02 Gahlo wrote: The W>E combo just tanks way too much. I saw a Braum shield absorb almost an entire MF ult after he got rolled in lane. yeah, with just a relic shield (or targons, dont remember) vs bloodthirster draven he was receiving literally 0 damage | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 14 2014 17:03 Fusilero wrote: Man almost every new champion seems to screw over MF, I struggle to see what can be done to make her good again if every new champ and their dog can cancel or straight up block her ult. I'm aware of her win rate and I don't get it, I guess she might be good in the ultra specific contexts where she's a viable idea. Give her dash. Give her true damage. MF FotM (more FotM) | ||
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Simberto
Germany11730 Posts
On May 14 2014 17:30 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: yeah, with just a relic shield (or targons, dont remember) vs bloodthirster draven he was receiving literally 0 damage Braum is pretty good at winning even-ish fights, but he can't really start one. So i'd say a lot of his current strength is people starting fights with him when they really shouldn't. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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739
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On May 14 2014 16:59 M2 wrote: I cannot understand why is this, coz his abilities don't look op or smth, but he somehow wins every trade vs any combo bot lane. Perhaps his numbers are too good or something, but again I don't think his skill set is broken the evolution of bot lane isnt about supports stats, and strangely the stronger supports the more this becomes the case. for example it used to be that when you picked thresh bot you would go dorans shield, purely defensive mastery's and maybe even run exhaust. now a lot of thresh players will have AD runes and ignite, meaning they can get in the other ADs face better. the job of the support is to yolo in to the other duo and try and trade 1 for 1, if you can die but kill the other ADC, trading support for AD, you are hugely ahead. obviously it goes without saying that if you can take free kills thats even better, but if you can trade yourself for their ADC, you should. now look at braums kit, he has a 6-9 sec cd stun, but it can be used by his ADC, he has a defensive buff, but its shared with his ADC, he can intercept damage on to his ADC really easily in lane. his kit is the pinnacle of giving it all to buff the adc. im not sure hes OP but he is (imo) perfect for the way the game is played in solo queue at the moment. On May 14 2014 18:32 Simberto wrote: Braum is pretty good at winning even-ish fights, but he can't really start one. So i'd say a lot of his current strength is people starting fights with him when they really shouldn't. his whole kit screams counter engage, if you wanted to start the fights you should pick leona. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35166 Posts
On May 14 2014 19:02 739 wrote: I wish we had such an awesome event calendar like LiquidDota have... Too bad, soon we won't even be on there. | ||
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739
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
yeah  let's just hope SC2 will die soon. | ||
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