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The only additions I have to the first tier list would be Vel'Koz for support (seems harder to play than the average support) and TF for mid lane.
I also probably wouldn't have put Irelia on the top champs, but I can see his point.
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On something completely different. Does Pantheon E apply Braum's passive stacks on every single volley? If so that would maybe make the Braum/Pantheon dragonslayer combo a fun cheesy botlane pick. Panth stun into impossible to miss Braum Q into Braum's passive stun in under a second. Pretty big burst/kill potential.
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On May 15 2014 00:11 Mikau wrote:
On something completely different. Does Pantheon E apply Braum's passive stacks on every single volley? If so that would maybe make the Braum/Pantheon dragonslayer combo a fun cheesy botlane pick. Panth stun into impossible to miss Braum Q into Braum's passive stun in under a second. Pretty big burst/kill potential.
You could just read braum's passive description and see the answer?
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Think it's autos only that proc it
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On May 15 2014 00:14 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2014 00:11 Mikau wrote:
On something completely different. Does Pantheon E apply Braum's passive stacks on every single volley? If so that would maybe make the Braum/Pantheon dragonslayer combo a fun cheesy botlane pick. Panth stun into impossible to miss Braum Q into Braum's passive stun in under a second. Pretty big burst/kill potential. You could just read braum's passive description and see the answer? + Show Spoiler +
No need to be an ass about it.
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Nightblue sitting there wondering whether or not some guy is Amazing.
Isn't he a TSM sub? Shouldn't he know who is teammates are?
Goes to show how much of a joke these team "subs" are.
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On May 15 2014 00:18 Capped wrote:
Nightblue sitting there wondering whether or not some guy is Amazing.
Isn't he a TSM sub? Shouldn't he know who is teammates are?
Goes to show how much of a joke these team "subs" are.
theres no such thing as TSM subs since subs in TSM wont make it in the main team no matter what
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On May 15 2014 00:23 justiceknight wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2014 00:18 Capped wrote:
Nightblue sitting there wondering whether or not some guy is Amazing.
Isn't he a TSM sub? Shouldn't he know who is teammates are?
Goes to show how much of a joke these team "subs" are. theres no such thing as TSM subs since subs in TSM wont make it in the main team no matter what
Nightblue doesn't even want to be in the LCS, he just wants the TSM brand for viewers and to stream all year.
He makes more then LCS players just streaming too which is funny.
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The sub system in LCS is so fucked.
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There's nothing particularly special about the sub system, rito tries to enforce subs so we don't have another repeat of aAa but teams just don't give a fuck about their subs.
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On May 14 2014 23:58 cLutZ wrote:
But that is just an indictment of pantheon as a holder for a lategame global, not late game globals in general (which is what I disagreed with).
Yeah sorry I can't read. I agree with you that globals fall off a lot in late game scenarios (in soloq).
Edit: Nightblue wants to be a TSM sub because having TSM in the title gives him more viewers. TSM want nightblue as a sub because it convenient for TSM to have a decent (no idea how good he is in competative, but he has played SOME arranged 5s) jungle sub.
So if they would need a jungle sub for a week in the LCS, they could use him. Like if Amazing would have visa issues and oddone for some reason couldn't make a one week comeback.
It's highly unlikely that he's ever going to sub for TSM in the LCS, but it's way better to have a backup, than to go "Oh shit we need to find a jungler within the next few days or we're screwed.
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Is Pantheon jungle still top tier?
Also, I really don't get Jax... I basically have to play like the biggest pussy ever (or die horrible and embarassing deaths) for the first 30 minutes. That is so much the opposite of what I usually play, it's really really hard and confusing.
Should I watch vods from people like WingsofDeath on Youtube to better learn how to play Jax? Is it even worth it?
Also, I really struggle with Ryze. Basically I can't farm for shit with that auto attack -.-
God why is learning a new role so hard -.-
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On May 15 2014 01:02 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 23:58 cLutZ wrote:
But that is just an indictment of pantheon as a holder for a lategame global, not late game globals in general (which is what I disagreed with). Yeah sorry I can't read. I agree with you that globals fall off a lot in late game scenarios (in soloq).
I actually think they are strong...
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On May 15 2014 00:18 Capped wrote:
Nightblue sitting there wondering whether or not some guy is Amazing.
Isn't he a TSM sub? Shouldn't he know who is teammates are?
Goes to show how much of a joke these team "subs" are.
He doesn't talk to the other TSM members.
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On May 14 2014 19:13 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 19:12 739 wrote:On May 14 2014 19:09 Gahlo wrote:On May 14 2014 19:02 739 wrote:
I wish we had such an awesome event calendar like LiquidDota have... Too bad, soon we won't even be on there. yeah  let's just hope SC2 will die soon. But I still enjoy Starcraft.
Me too.
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On May 15 2014 01:07 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2014 01:02 zodde wrote:On May 14 2014 23:58 cLutZ wrote:
But that is just an indictment of pantheon as a holder for a lategame global, not late game globals in general (which is what I disagreed with). Yeah sorry I can't read. I agree with you that globals fall off a lot in late game scenarios (in soloq). I actually think they are strong...
Yeah sorry I am even worse at reading than I thought. My mind is all over the place today.
I guess I can agree with globals being strong in a vacuum, however, I dont think that their lategame power is necessarily what makes champions with globals strong. And it's kind of hard to separate globals from the champion that have them. All three global ults have their strongest points in the midgame IMO.
Teleport is so strong right now because the reduced cooldown on turrets make them double as a free card for laning fuck-ups. Previously, if you died/got too low to stay at a tower with a huge minion wave coming in, you lost the lane. Now you can just TP back and get most of the exp anyways. That combined with the current top "meta" picks makes for a laning phase that is very hard to straight up lose.
Of course TP is also strong because of dragon fights and stuff, but previously, you would lose lane too hard vs an ignite top laner without getting all that much back during the laning phase.
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On May 15 2014 01:02 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2014 23:58 cLutZ wrote:
But that is just an indictment of pantheon as a holder for a lategame global, not late game globals in general (which is what I disagreed with). Yeah sorry I can't read. I agree with you that globals fall off a lot in late game scenarios (in soloq). Edit: Nightblue wants to be a TSM sub because having TSM in the title gives him more viewers. TSM want nightblue as a sub because it convenient for TSM to have a decent (no idea how good he is in competative, but he has played SOME arranged 5s) jungle sub. So if they would need a jungle sub for a week in the LCS, they could use him. Like if Amazing would have visa issues and oddone for some reason couldn't make a one week comeback. It's highly unlikely that he's ever going to sub for TSM in the LCS, but it's way better to have a backup, than to go "Oh shit we need to find a jungler within the next few days or we're screwed. Not really, TSM want him because of streaming, marketing & publicity, of that I have no doubt. By agreeing to join TSM's streaming network, a portion of NB's Twitch profits go to TSM. Considering the extra exposure that a TSM banner gives him, I would definitively imagine the agreement is worthwhile for both parties.
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On May 15 2014 01:07 Celial wrote:
Is Pantheon jungle still top tier?
Nightblue sure seems to think so. He's of the opinion that he can fight any jungler at any time in the early game outside of Kha'Zix, but even then it can be iffy.
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On May 15 2014 01:28 ChaoSbringer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2014 01:02 zodde wrote:On May 14 2014 23:58 cLutZ wrote:
But that is just an indictment of pantheon as a holder for a lategame global, not late game globals in general (which is what I disagreed with). Yeah sorry I can't read. I agree with you that globals fall off a lot in late game scenarios (in soloq). Edit: Nightblue wants to be a TSM sub because having TSM in the title gives him more viewers. TSM want nightblue as a sub because it convenient for TSM to have a decent (no idea how good he is in competative, but he has played SOME arranged 5s) jungle sub. So if they would need a jungle sub for a week in the LCS, they could use him. Like if Amazing would have visa issues and oddone for some reason couldn't make a one week comeback. It's highly unlikely that he's ever going to sub for TSM in the LCS, but it's way better to have a backup, than to go "Oh shit we need to find a jungler within the next few days or we're screwed. Not really, TSM want him because of streaming, marketing & publicity, of that I have no doubt. By agreeing to join TSM's streaming network, a portion of NB's Twitch profits go to TSM. Considering the extra exposure that a TSM banner gives him, I would definitively imagine the agreement is worthwhile for both parties.
Makes a lot of sense, didn't really think of that angle. However, having a sub as a last resort isn't exaclty a drawback, is it?
Your point probably played a much bigger role in making the deal happen though.
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