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canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
May 14 2014 18:45 GMT
#981
On May 15 2014 02:53 Sufficiency wrote:
I feel until AT&T and Verizon sponsor LoL teams, NA will lag largely behind KT and SKT.

Maybe I am just being cynical.

B-but Samsung is kicking both their asses?
Apple should totally sponsor LoL teams.



Until people realize LoL on Mac is sucks.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 19:00:55
May 14 2014 18:59 GMT
#982
On May 15 2014 02:59 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 02:56 Capped wrote:
Koreas use of 2 teams is the perfect example of how subs should work. They basically bounce off eachother as practice partners and everyone improves because of it, raising the skill-level of the entire region and forcing other teams to do the same, thus repeating the cycle.

If this happened and the challenger league filled up with these "2nd" teams all practicing hardcore with the 1st teams in LCS, im pretty sure we'd end up a whole-lot better off in terms of skill and competition.

But do you really want half the better teams in a region to be stuck in challenger, just because their sister team is already in lcs? If TSM B, CLG B, and C9 B, are good enough to be in LCS, but are stuck in challenger because of the fact they're sister teams, then you end up with some shitty eco system where half the top 8 teams in a region are stuck in challenger just due to a technicality. You want the best of the best in LCS, not a situation where the bottom half of LCS would get stomped by the top half of challenger.

Also makes it almost impossible for new teams to get into LCS, as the barrier to entry is these top LCS level teams who are better then half of the actual LCS, who are only stomping challenger because they're not allowed in. This only really works if you have a scene deep enough that good challenger teams are good enough to train with top LCS teams, and that's definitely not the case in NA/EU.

I still think Riot should just remove the "no teams from same organisation," It makes no sense, I mean imagine the equivalent rule in SC2, or even just OGN champions


Korea's B teams aren't disallowed from anything dude. They are just known by a or b, 1 or 2. The only thing that differentiates them is results. If Team B is better, they're better, its that simple.

What i mean't by competing in challenger is that we'd have a whole wave of new teams with the skill it takes to play at the top level. Not that B teams have to sit there if they can knock team A out of the LCS for a season. It just creates competition.

And if amateur teams aren't up to scratch then they shouldn't be allowed in LCS/Challenger anyway. This changes nothing apart from raise the entire regions level of play. (Source: Korea.) Amateur teams have to be able to compete to be allowed in. That requires massive effort, either they'll succeed as a team if they are good enough or the players will be picked up in the long run anyway.

(Ok there are more things that cause Koreas skill dominance but the main three are this, their views of soloQ and work ethic which are all very closely linked.)

tl;dr - It doesnt matter because it will never happen
Useless wet fish.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
May 14 2014 19:04 GMT
#983
There hasn't been a single amateur team in Korea that made it past groups though (at least not that I recall?)
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 14 2014 19:33 GMT
#984
TBH the Soraka changes on PBE can be a huge buff too. This makes her W reset even faster than before now.

If I calculated correctly, previously it takes 6.2 seconds to W twice if we can Q constantly with 40% CDR and max Q. With the changes, it takes only 4.5 seconds.

Again I am just doing it on top of my head and I could be wrong. But it looks like her W cooldown shreded around 1.5 seconds in the best case scenario.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
May 14 2014 19:33 GMT
#985
so rengar rework did absolutely nothing, he still one shots people like before with barely any counterplay, their balance team is so incompetent its pathetic

User was temp banned for this post.
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
May 14 2014 19:34 GMT
#986
Thats because the one maybe good guy who carries the rest ends up getting poached to be a sub/replacement for a slumping player on a OGN Champions team.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 19:47:09
May 14 2014 19:46 GMT
#987
On May 15 2014 04:33 kongoline wrote:
so rengar rework did absolutely nothing, he still one shots people like before with barely any counterplay, their balance team is so incompetent its pathetic

User was temp banned for this post.

I think Alaric probably shouldn't post here any more?
Porouscloud - NA LoL
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 14 2014 20:13 GMT
#988
On May 15 2014 04:33 kongoline wrote:
so rengar rework did absolutely nothing, he still one shots people like before with barely any counterplay, their balance team is so incompetent its pathetic

User was temp banned for this post.

Rengar is op'd? wut.
liftlift > tsm
ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 20:41:28
May 14 2014 20:34 GMT
#989
On May 15 2014 03:31 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 01:07 Celial wrote:
Is Pantheon jungle still top tier?

Also, I really don't get Jax... I basically have to play like the biggest pussy ever (or die horrible and embarassing deaths) for the first 30 minutes. That is so much the opposite of what I usually play, it's really really hard and confusing.

Should I watch vods from people like WingsofDeath on Youtube to better learn how to play Jax? Is it even worth it?

Also, I really struggle with Ryze. Basically I can't farm for shit with that auto attack -.-
God why is learning a new role so hard -.-


yeah you are probably doing it wrong somehow.

If you watch really good toplaners they can totally play jax even early against really strong matchups. I've seen Wings and dyrus win lanes solo against renekton etc solo at a high level. Jax is very strong, mostly its all about managing your ult charges and enemy skills so you make sure to use your E fully and land the stun.


Jax is hella strong against most melee top laners. Just remember to go balls deep at lvl1 because Jax with stacked E is one of the strongest lvl1 char in the game (especially agianst renekton!).
Against Ryze start q, and go in. Forget about cs, stay in bush, wait for cooldowns and all-in as ryze as much as possible. If you try to cs in lane, you will get chunked anyway so you won't able to get much cs. But even then ryze is a hard lane because Ryze like Jax is really strong at 1v1. Ryze's pretty much only weakness in lane (besides a few coutners) is jungle pressure and your q+e combo with jungler ganks should kill him. Plus Jax + most junglers win 2v2. If your jungler is smart he will gank top often.

Edit: I feel the way to lane agianst Ryze with Jax is to push the lane to his tower. Make him choose between chunking you and cs. If you harass him and your e hits minions the wave should push heavily towards him. Ryze is bad at csing under tower, if you get chuked recall and the wave should reset if you manage to push into the tower. Repeat and you should be able to bully him out of lane after you get triforce or botrk in the midgame, because Ryze has a midgame power dip.

Jax and Ryze share the same strengths and weakness, good at 1v1 but vulnerable to ganks and bad teamfights without good initiation. Usually shutting down these two is a team effort.
See Noob, Flame Noob. Top Lane main. 120ping master race Aspire to be one man rape train : choo-choo- yamedie~ mothafucka
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 20:36:28
May 14 2014 20:36 GMT
#990
It's also important to note that a lot of matchups actually require Jax to max the leap first.
liftlift > tsm
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 14 2014 20:38 GMT
#991
On May 15 2014 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 04:33 kongoline wrote:
so rengar rework did absolutely nothing, he still one shots people like before with barely any counterplay, their balance team is so incompetent its pathetic

User was temp banned for this post.

Rengar is op'd? wut.

To be fair, assassin rango prework was one of the reasons I stopped playing ADC.
Sure you virtually never saw it and only one in like ten assassin rangos are good but that one has given me PTSD man.
Glorious SEA doto
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 14 2014 20:43 GMT
#992
On May 15 2014 05:38 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 15 2014 04:33 kongoline wrote:
so rengar rework did absolutely nothing, he still one shots people like before with barely any counterplay, their balance team is so incompetent its pathetic

User was temp banned for this post.

Rengar is op'd? wut.

To be fair, assassin rango prework was one of the reasons I stopped playing ADC.
Sure you virtually never saw it and only one in like ten assassin rangos are good but that one has given me PTSD man.

It's like so fucking rare to see a fed rengar. Also, there are like a million other reasons to not play ADC. The role is so lame now.
liftlift > tsm
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 14 2014 20:44 GMT
#993
On May 15 2014 04:33 Sufficiency wrote:
TBH the Soraka changes on PBE can be a huge buff too. This makes her W reset even faster than before now.

If I calculated correctly, previously it takes 6.2 seconds to W twice if we can Q constantly with 40% CDR and max Q. With the changes, it takes only 4.5 seconds.

Again I am just doing it on top of my head and I could be wrong. But it looks like her W cooldown shreded around 1.5 seconds in the best case scenario.


Critically though it lowers her laning power, because if she's having to spam heals on cooldown she runs out of mana fairly quick, and the lower damage on Q and mana cost on E will hit her laning hard.

For passive support Raka who stands behind the ADC and gives them stats though, it's probably a buff.

I like it.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
May 14 2014 20:59 GMT
#994
On May 15 2014 05:34 ParadeofMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 03:31 sob3k wrote:
On May 15 2014 01:07 Celial wrote:
Is Pantheon jungle still top tier?

Also, I really don't get Jax... I basically have to play like the biggest pussy ever (or die horrible and embarassing deaths) for the first 30 minutes. That is so much the opposite of what I usually play, it's really really hard and confusing.

Should I watch vods from people like WingsofDeath on Youtube to better learn how to play Jax? Is it even worth it?

Also, I really struggle with Ryze. Basically I can't farm for shit with that auto attack -.-
God why is learning a new role so hard -.-


yeah you are probably doing it wrong somehow.

If you watch really good toplaners they can totally play jax even early against really strong matchups. I've seen Wings and dyrus win lanes solo against renekton etc solo at a high level. Jax is very strong, mostly its all about managing your ult charges and enemy skills so you make sure to use your E fully and land the stun.


Jax is hella strong against most melee top laners. Just remember to go balls deep at lvl1 because Jax with stacked E is one of the strongest lvl1 char in the game (especially agianst renekton!).
Against Ryze start q, and go in. Forget about cs, stay in bush, wait for cooldowns and all-in as ryze as much as possible. If you try to cs in lane, you will get chunked anyway so you won't able to get much cs. But even then ryze is a hard lane because Ryze like Jax is really strong at 1v1. Ryze's pretty much only weakness in lane (besides a few coutners) is jungle pressure and your q+e combo with jungler ganks should kill him. Plus Jax + most junglers win 2v2. If your jungler is smart he will gank top often.

Edit: I feel the way to lane agianst Ryze with Jax is to push the lane to his tower. Make him choose between chunking you and cs. If you harass him and your e hits minions the wave should push heavily towards him. Ryze is bad at csing under tower, if you get chuked recall and the wave should reset if you manage to push into the tower. Repeat and you should be able to bully him out of lane after you get triforce or botrk in the midgame, because Ryze has a midgame power dip.

Jax and Ryze share the same strengths and weakness, good at 1v1 but vulnerable to ganks and bad teamfights without good initiation. Usually shutting down these two is a team effort.


jax just needs to not feed more than 2 kills before getting 6 and a cutlass and he can shit on ryze after that. you are right he needs to give up cs early but pushing isnt an option, just chill out and survive until 6.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 21:01:50
May 14 2014 20:59 GMT
#995
On May 15 2014 05:44 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 04:33 Sufficiency wrote:
TBH the Soraka changes on PBE can be a huge buff too. This makes her W reset even faster than before now.

If I calculated correctly, previously it takes 6.2 seconds to W twice if we can Q constantly with 40% CDR and max Q. With the changes, it takes only 4.5 seconds.

Again I am just doing it on top of my head and I could be wrong. But it looks like her W cooldown shreded around 1.5 seconds in the best case scenario.


Critically though it lowers her laning power, because if she's having to spam heals on cooldown she runs out of mana fairly quick, and the lower damage on Q and mana cost on E will hit her laning hard.

For passive support Raka who stands behind the ADC and gives them stats though, it's probably a buff.

I like it.

Why do people like support soraka(or in general)?The only thing that can compare in how no skill/braindead is taric.Dunno why riot dont just remove her from the game honestly.

Like if you want to play a dedicated healer support try kayle.She is actually surprisingly good at it.Dedicated healers really just ruin the game honestly.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 14 2014 21:08 GMT
#996
Some people like the full support playstyle. There isn't anybody really other than Soraka and Janna who fit it.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
May 14 2014 21:12 GMT
#997
On May 15 2014 05:36 wei2coolman wrote:
It's also important to note that a lot of matchups actually require Jax to max the leap first.

Why wouldn't you always max Q? The sheer mobility is so useful that I almost never max W first. Plus, in lane, your post-6 trading is mostly burst ([creep AA]-[creep AA]- Q - ult passive AA - W reset) and doesn't rely on repeated W's.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 14 2014 21:15 GMT
#998
On May 15 2014 06:08 Ketara wrote:
Some people like the full support playstyle. There isn't anybody really other than Soraka and Janna who fit it.

I just thought soraka players are sadists who get their jollies by cockblocking everyone with hilarious armour buffs and global heals
Glorious SEA doto
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 14 2014 21:16 GMT
#999
Soraka vs Braum
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 21:19:04
May 14 2014 21:18 GMT
#1000
On May 15 2014 06:08 Ketara wrote:
Some people like the full support playstyle. There isn't anybody really other than Soraka and Janna who fit it.

Full support playstyle is fine.Janna can do so much stuff compared to soraka.I thought riot agreed when morello said he dislikes soraka a lot but guess they dont.

Braum is easily strongest support.Riot again were snorting coke when releasing new champ.
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