EPT[Patch 4.7] Braum General Discussion - Page 15
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On May 10 2014 22:17 Zdrastochye wrote: Doesn't Soraka do well against Ryze top? Her skillset seems like it would be pretty good versus him. Soraka will get absolutely smashed by Ryze. There is 0% chance she can win the lane. | ||
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ArchAngelSC
England706 Posts
On May 10 2014 23:01 Sufficiency wrote: Soraka will get absolutely smashed by Ryze. There is 0% chance she can win the lane. Actually Soraka shits on Ryze .... The only problem is you're constantly pushed in, and on top lane thats dangerous, especially on a champ with no escapes. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
but maybe im just shit. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On May 10 2014 23:11 ArchAngelSC wrote: Actually Soraka shits on Ryze .... The only problem is you're constantly pushed in, and on top lane thats dangerous, especially on a champ with no escapes. How do you win as Soraka exactly? All you can do is run teleport and push 24/7 and HOPE you don't get ganked. But it's Ryze... if he W's you and his jungler shows up you are 100% fucked as Soraka. Even pushing as difficulties. Ryze will win trades against Soraka after getting a tear. It's too much damage for Soraka to deal with, not to mention it's magic damage. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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shogeki
Canada75 Posts
On May 10 2014 23:24 Sufficiency wrote: How do you win as Soraka exactly? every time Ryze comes into spell range on you in lane, use your e and an auto attack on him to trade poke, q minions if possible, then back out of range until e is up again. You have range over all Ryze's spells so your e will shut down his burst every time. It doesn't matter if you are losing small trades because of your w heal. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Later on, until Ryze gets real defensive items if he gets caught he straight-up dies to the ult. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
What have people been getting/skilling on him? I've heard he's not all that great. His biggest issue to me at first glance seems to be that he wants to max both Q and W right away. | ||
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kongoline
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LoCicero
1100 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On May 10 2014 23:11 ArchAngelSC wrote: Actually Soraka shits on Ryze .... The only problem is you're constantly pushed in, and on top lane thats dangerous, especially on a champ with no escapes. Let's refrain from such hyperbole, especially when it's wrong. Pre-6, Soraka can push Ryze to his turret but what does that do? With three offensive spells, Ryze has zero problems last hitting under turret. Now assuming equal farm at level 6, Ryze has the potential to all-in against Soraka but the reverse does not apply. Ganks and counter ganks are also severely in Ryze's favor. Going into late game, Ryze still maintains an advantage in scaling. At best, you can force Ryze to his turret and hope you have jungler back up and harass enough to force him to base thus making him miss exp and gold. But he has great last hit capability and necessary wave clear when he needs it. Edit: In this instance, Zdra asks a fine question and I'd prefer people who have actually played the matchup first hand (vs Ryze in this case) to share their experience. Those of you who suggested/supported the Soraka vs Ryze matchup, I don't honestly believe you've played this matchup at all since it's horrendously skewed against Soraka. Zero kill potential early, minimal ability to force Ryze to miss exp/gold, and Soraka certainly doesn't scale better in the late game. Even assuming Ryze doesn't run Ignite to kill Soraka, he can still fuck Soraka's team over with Teleport. There's nothing remotely reasonable to consider Soraka a good vs Ryze pick. Edit2: On May 10 2014 23:01 Sufficiency wrote: Soraka will get absolutely smashed by Ryze. There is 0% chance she can win the lane. Likewise Sufficiency, less hyperbole plz. Ryze doesn't smash Soraka either. He has an incredibly hard time killing her without jungler help. It's really an attrition lane that is favors Soraka mid game team fights and Ryze late game team fights. | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On May 11 2014 06:05 739 wrote: I started playing Diana jungle again and I have to say that her mid/late game is moterfucking surprisingly good. You can actually melt people in 2 secs. Diana Jungle is perfectly fine in solo q. She has solid wave clear and ganks. Just less reliable if you ever miss your Q. You can still Dash and Pull-in but you're missing a lot of damage from no Q. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
It's another 1800 gold for BotRK and the slow isn't that much better (25% for 2s vs 30% for 3s) and a bunch of offensive stats that are nice but not completely necessary early on. I'd much rather have a Giant's Belt and Chain Vest instead around 20-30 minutes into the game. The best part of BotRK is obviously the %hp damage but that scales with how the enemy frontline is building. Thus, makes it rather moot for any feral jungler to rush into BotRK; enemy frontline won't have the hp stats to maximize the use of BotRK. Edit: to theorycraft about other feral junglers, I'd imagine the BotRK rush is actually viable on Yi, who scales amazingly with AS. Noc, not so much. The most common Noc junglers you see on solo q (like Ninjaken) build more offensively than defensively, but I still think BotRK rush on Noc is a poor idea. I'd put Xin in the same category as Shyvana. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
Of course this depends on the teamcomps and if you're the main tank or not, but yeah that is my opinion in general. I'd also suggest a brutalizer instead of BotRK occasionally. I feel like bruta gives you more damage when you're diving people without escapes (Twitch, Jinx, Ryze) whereas BotRK gives you more when you're diving Lucians and Lulus or peeling for your ADC. Edit: On the topic of Ryze, you can actually run out of mana if you're forced to cs under turret for the first 5 levels. Ryze mana costs pre6/tear are actually pretty high if you're forced to spam skills under turret. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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