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kongoline
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On May 11 2014 08:04 JazzVortical wrote: There's a Vel'Koz thread now fyi  But to answer from my experience (mainly mid lane), I level Q and W simultaneously, with one point in E. I don't care if it isn't efficient or maximising or whatever, it just feels so right on him. Doing it this way means you don't end up with all poke and no wave clear and vice versa. (Assume boots wherever) Grail -> Guise -> Void staff -> Rylai's -> Liandry's -> last item situational. If I'm fed I'll get Death cap. Banshee's/Zhonya's if their team necessitates them. If it's close, I might get some utility from spooky ghosts. I tend to avoid out and out defensive items and rely on positioning/kiting to stay safe. With Rylai's, alacrity boots, and movespeed items (if you go for spooky ghosts), you are super hard to catch, provided you land your skill shots. There is a Velcro thread that is about support Velcro. I am looking at him mid k. So far I've been doing Twin Shadows first item and max W first, which feels strong for what I want. I've only tried him in 4 games so far but 4 wins yay. The build I'm doing atm is double dorans into: Twin Shadows > Void > Zhonya > DFG/Banshee At first I tried Deathcap instead of DFG but I did some maths and found that DFG is likely better for him. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
The biggest issue with him as an AP mid is his lack of escape/disengage. Sure his E is decent and the Q slows a ton, but the moment a semi-tanky jungler gets on you you're toast. If a comp is built around him (like a poke/seige comp) then he'd shine really well. Otherwise he requires too much cooperation to work in solo Q. | ||
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LoCicero
1100 Posts
Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. I don't have the time anymore and I'm not naturally talented enough to hang with the best. RIP me. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On May 11 2014 08:50 Kinie wrote: I have done some games on Vel'Koz and I feel like you want to build him as a champ with semi-low CDs and as much magic pen as possible. For me, that means I take scaling CDR runes and get Athenes as my first item. After that I try to go Guise > Void > defensive item (usually Zhonyas) > Rylei's > Liandy's, with magic pen or mobility boots. The biggest issue with him as an AP mid is his lack of escape/disengage. Sure his E is decent and the Q slows a ton, but the moment a semi-tanky jungler gets on you you're toast. If a comp is built around him (like a poke/seige comp) then he'd shine really well. Otherwise he requires too much cooperation to work in solo Q. I'm curious, are the people going Athenes first item on Velcro maxing Q first? I have yet to have any mana issues with just double dorans. If you max W all you have to do is W each wave twice and it kills the whole wave in 2 seconds. This costs 140 mana per minion wave at level 9. With 2 dorans rings you regen 164.4 mana between minion waves, so if that's all you're doing your mana is actually going up. Given the above and a flask, and assuming you never get blue buff, you can Q poke him 3 times per minion wave, save enough mana for E and R, and only have to base once every 4 minutes. Athenes in that regard really feels like wasted stats to me. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I'm not saying I know anything about Velkoz, I'm just curious as to how the Athenes first people have been playing. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
I have tried leveling Q and W at the same time, but it felt very weak in the pre-level 13 areas for the first couple team fights, which I greatly dislike. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I'm figuring W max for basically 2 reasons. #1 - If I just want to waveclear and not fight the enemy mid, maxing W over Q lets me do that. #2 - A Q hit leads into a guaranteed W hit. The extra slow duration doesn't really help with that and the damage increases more with W levels than Q levels. So basically if I max W first I can make the decision to either waveclear safely or try to attack the enemy mid. If the former, I just W each wave twice and back off. If the latter, I kill the wave with autos, Q poke the guy, and every time Q hits follow it up with a W. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On May 11 2014 08:09 Kenpark wrote: Havent played in a while. Any suggestions for low mechanic junglers (not Elise, Lee)? I play Kha, Eve and Panth, but Panth seems weak dunno. Maybe Vi is she strong atm ? Yi, Xin, Noc, Shyvana as feral junglers. First 2-3 are ban status, depending where you are in solo q. Vi is still a good pick. There's nothing like a CC-immune initiation for team fights. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
User was warned for this post SRY I DID NOT MEAN TO SAY NAUGHTY WORD | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On May 11 2014 10:08 Sponkz wrote: http://www.twitch.tv/brokenwatch best stream in world from TL favorite broken nigger Ugh, I'm just not going to get into it this time. It isn't worth the effort and I know how it will end. | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On May 11 2014 09:17 Ketara wrote: Sure, but there are items that give CDR and don't give mana regen. Twin Shadows and DFG both seem very strong on him. I'm not saying I know anything about Velkoz, I'm just curious as to how the Athenes first people have been playing. DFG is hard to use on him because he is all skill shots (compared to other DFG users, who have targeted skills), and you have expose yourself to get the active onto someone. Your ult is very long range, you want to use it safely. Getting in range to DFG then ult seems like suicide if there's anyone with a gap closer on their team. I wouldn't recommend DFG. Like I said in my previous post, I max Q and W at the same time. Maxing W first seems like I have no lane presence. My harass is pitiful. It means a farm lane. Maxing Q means you have weak wave clear, but up your kill potential (If you harass down to half, it's quite possible to kill with your ult alone). I understand the feeling a touch weak for early team fights, but I reckon the ult more than makes up for it. Q is so good for harass and disrupting their farm (due to the split), it seems a waste to leave it at one point. Grail supports the harass style perfectly. Lower cooldowns, can cast with impunity. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23347 Posts
On May 11 2014 10:11 Gahlo wrote: Ugh, I'm just not going to get into it this time. It isn't worth the effort and I know how it will end. the word nigger shouldn't be used for any reason | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
On May 11 2014 10:51 Slayer91 wrote: the word nigger shouldn't be used for any reason What about in an academic sense. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
Well, technically speaking i'm not yet educated at an academic level, so in a sense it was ok. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23347 Posts
On May 11 2014 08:15 kongoline wrote: udyr depends on your definition there | ||
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
On May 11 2014 10:55 Sponkz wrote: Well, technically speaking i'm not yet educated at an academic level, so in a sense it was ok. The only contexts in which the usage of the word should be considered acceptable and/or appropriate are contexts that have no place in LoL GD, in any case, and moderation really shouldn't have to reflect this as much as it appears to have to. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On May 11 2014 08:55 LoCicero wrote: Kicked out of challenger =(. After the 10 day grace period I wasn't high enough. I need to quit my job and just play LoL full time, obviously. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. I don't have the time anymore and I'm not naturally talented enough to hang with the best. RIP me. Don't gimme that, I would still replace at least one player on every pro team with you in a heartbeat. PRO NA TEAM THO LOL | ||
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