EPT[Patch 4.7] Braum General Discussion - Page 19
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GolemMadness
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chalice
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
As for Xin, he has a delayed knock up and a slow and cannot escape so I don't think he'd work as well. It would basically be a weaker Leona without the advantages of j4. | ||
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The_Unseen
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justiceknight
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On May 11 2014 17:50 Pantagruel wrote: I dunno, I usually destroy lane so hard that I have a decent sized budget but if I don't do well then I can envision j4 falling off badly in the mid game. Thats a moot point however because even with eclipse the same can be said for Leona. In lane though j4 seems more tanky then Leona and also has a lot more mobility to escape. On top of that he has great poke with his Q. As for Xin, he has a delayed knock up and a slow and cannot escape so I don't think he'd work as well. It would basically be a weaker Leona without the advantages of j4. It's not the same with Leona at all. She has so much CC and innate tankyness with her W that she's always useful. J4 has his W for a bit of tankyness, but unless you're maxing it first, it has a massive cooldown and doesn't give a large shield. His EQ combo is also not very reliable, and if you miss it in a team fight, you're pretty much fucked. Leona has a stun that lasts half a second longer than J4's knock up that's on cooldown 6 seconds shorter than J4's flag and isn't a skill shot. | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
On May 11 2014 18:08 GolemMadness wrote: It's not the same with Leona at all. She has so much CC and innate tankyness with her W that she's always useful. J4 has his W for a bit of tankyness, but unless you're maxing it first, it has a massive cooldown and doesn't give a large shield. His EQ combo is also not very reliable, and if you miss it in a team fight, you're pretty much fucked. Leona has a stun that lasts half a second longer than J4's knock up that's on cooldown 6 seconds shorter than J4's flag and isn't a skill shot. Not really. If you do poorly in lane as Leona you will also be squishy as hell for a front line champ. For the most part if I go even in lane then I am able to buy enough defensive items to be valuable in team fights. The big difference is mostly that I think Leona's CC is more valuable because it lasts longer on top of the fact that you can't just flash/dash out of her ultimate but she trades that off for mobility and some team utility. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On May 11 2014 19:26 Disengaged wrote: So, I feel like Riots 1v1/2v2 Magma Chamber is never going to be released. DEAD IN THE WATER Magma chamber is a promotional map to be released alongside detox and half-life 3 | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On May 11 2014 19:31 Fusilero wrote: Magma chamber is a promotional map to be released alongside detox and half-life 3 Sad face  | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On May 11 2014 09:56 NeoIllusions wrote: Yi, Xin, Noc, Shyvana as feral junglers. First 2-3 are ban status, depending where you are in solo q. Vi is still a good pick. There's nothing like a CC-immune initiation for team fights. One of the times I first picked Vi the enemy team subsequently picked Nocturne, Sivir and Morgana. Fuck 'em. :[ We still won because we managed to get a huge lead but I felt a bit bitter when was team was all "omg Vi y u no initiate under their inhib tower while spellshields and Banshee's are up". Noc jungles pretty fast, can be built equally tanky or damage-oriented (although I haven't really played him this patch, so I don't know how much losing the heal per stack on Flare hurts his ability to stay in the thick of the fights) and can also invade pretty early, which is nifty. Vi's level 1 is a bit too slow to be able to invade reliably, sadly, and she misses out on burst (either no Q for gap-closing/burst, or no E for aa-reset and quick triggering of W), so it's hard for her to go aggressive at these points. She can usually win 1v1s against the likes of Xin or Nocturne if she gets the jump on them (and her Q doesn't get spell-shielded) because of the initial burst, but if she gets jumped on she'd even lose to Sejuani (difference between fully charged Q-auto-E combo as an opener and partly-charged Q on Sej who activated her passive's buff is huge), so I find her better as a counter-ganker if you know the enemy's near. I wouldn't gank while knowing Lee or Xin is nearby unless I know we can take the enemy laner out of the fight first (ideally burning his flash or forcing a back from low health so the gank held some value on my end). I find Xin harder "mechanically" because the positioning is more important on him, without MS buffs or anything, to make sure you get the 3rd hit from Q even if your target has a dash, use your ult well, etc. compared to Nocturne's MS buff and point'n'click E. Vi shouldn't be too hard to use, although her Q is plagued with weird stuff (mostly the hitbox, the freezing/fizzling bugs only happen very rarely) and early on she's very dependant on hitting it so you must not telegraph it (although it burns flashes pretty nicely). Shyvana doesn't have cc pre-6 but she jungles so fast that you can pretty much be wherever you need at anytime if you look at the lanes and plan your route a bit, and she's got the dps to make up for it if you flank your target to stay on them. Or you could do like Scip and go 20-0-6 on Skarner, making him look OP. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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kongoline
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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ParadeofMadness
United Kingdom1027 Posts
Apparently sOAZ claims to be one of the best toplaner in EU. If true I fear for EU toplane lol | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
The hardest part is making the decision to go in. Unlike a midlaner, say, you can't calculate how much your "burst" is. The amount of damage you do depends on how long you can survive and how your teammates react. To me, that is far more difficult to estimate. | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On May 12 2014 00:17 ParadeofMadness wrote: https://twitter.com/Fnatic_sOAZ/status/465473455790387201 Apparently sOAZ claims to be one of the best toplaner in EU. If true I fear for EU toplane lol Well it must be some kind of a joke, I think he's the weakest link in Fnatic. Both him and Cyanide. But sOaZ especially, he's been sucking much lately. | ||
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