EPT[Patch 4.7] Braum General Discussion - Page 20
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 12 2014 00:56 AlterKot wrote: Who's better than him? Youngbuck? Xasus? Mimer? EU doesn't exactly have the best toplaners either. zorozero. also, doesn't matter from soaz. no point in making that deceleration if you're getting shit stomped by 6-8th ranked koreans. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On May 12 2014 00:56 AlterKot wrote: Who's better than him? Youngbuck? Xasus? Mimer? EU doesn't exactly have the best toplaners either. i would take xasus over soaz | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 12 2014 01:02 AlterKot wrote: Zoro isn't on the scene right now. And this tweet is relevant because it shows how bad EU toplaners are. It shows how bad Western laners are. Not just EU toplane. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
I won't say xaxus, too many individual derp plays and is only really an above average filler top laner, freddy maybe but individually he's mediocre it's just how well he fits in SK's gameplans and rotations. Zoro probably but retired so not worth discussing. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
On May 11 2014 20:31 kongoline wrote: how is xin hard lol, hes one of the most faceroll champions in game champions like xin require a base level of auto cancelling mechanics that the majority of league players don't have. like everyone in silver and below could probably move up an entire league tier just by taking a champ with an auto-reset type skill and practicing their mechanics against the golem camp for 15-20 minutes a week. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On May 11 2014 18:08 GolemMadness wrote: It's not the same with Leona at all. She has so much CC and innate tankyness with her W that she's always useful. J4 has his W for a bit of tankyness, but unless you're maxing it first, it has a massive cooldown and doesn't give a large shield. His EQ combo is also not very reliable, and if you miss it in a team fight, you're pretty much fucked. Leona has a stun that lasts half a second longer than J4's knock up that's on cooldown 6 seconds shorter than J4's flag and isn't a skill shot. Here is the difference between j4 and Leona. Morgana counters Leona. J4 counters Morgana. J4 has so much innate damage that is all physical that his inability to stun the enemy adc/support doesn't matter. He is immune to roots as he can e,q out of them so more has no way to stop his engages or easily poke/harass him down (he can respond by going in and proving his passive) and spell shields do not prevent getting locked into cataclysm. His downside is being weak to alistar and Janna. But who plays alistar and Janna anymore? | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On May 12 2014 02:56 Goumindong wrote: Here is the difference between j4 and Leona. Morgana counters Leona. J4 counters Morgana. J4 has so much innate damage that is all physical that his inability to stun the enemy adc/support doesn't matter. He is immune to roots as he can e,q out of them so more has no way to stop his engages or easily poke/harass him down (he can respond by going in and proving his passive) and spell shields do not prevent getting locked into cataclysm. His downside is being weak to alistar and Janna. But who plays alistar and Janna anymore? And j4 isn't weak vs thresh?Ok m8.Not to mention that any of graves/lucian/vayne/ez(draven if good) can completely ignore you in lane phase and make the other ad cry. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On May 12 2014 02:47 chalice wrote: champions like xin require a base level of auto cancelling mechanics that the majority of league players don't have. like everyone in silver and below could probably move up an entire league tier just by taking a champ with an auto-reset type skill and practicing their mechanics against the golem camp for 15-20 minutes a week. I seriously doubt it. Playing against Silver people back then on my smurf after I descended into bronze made me realize it's not just the mechanics. There are multiple problems with most silver players (I am low plat in case that matters), but I actually find their decision making to be the most problematic. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
He can't really hope to gank effectively since his clear is so slow that he's going to be underleveled and underfarmed, and he's never been a champion able to win 2v2s. I'm sad now. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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kongoline
6318 Posts
is euw down for anyone else? i cant login get msg server is busy Oo | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
On May 12 2014 03:01 Sufficiency wrote: I seriously doubt it. Playing against Silver people back then on my smurf after I descended into bronze made me realize it's not just the mechanics. There are multiple problems with most silver players (I am low plat in case that matters), but I actually find their decision making to be the most problematic. oh there's no doubt that silver decision making is atrocious, most players could just as easily move up a few divisions just by never ignoring another ping telling them to retreat. still i think that you underestimate the impact of the millions of auto-attacks that are missed every day, so much free damage is being left on the table and unlike decision making, a small amount of focused practice can actually show noticeable improvement in auto-attack mechanics after a relatively short period of time. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On May 12 2014 03:00 nafta wrote: And j4 isn't weak vs thresh?Ok m8.Not to mention that any of graves/lucian/vayne/ez(draven if good) can completely ignore you in lane phase and make the other ad cry. That is true but you can ban thresh or only pick j4 as a counter. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On May 12 2014 03:18 Goumindong wrote: That is true but you can ban thresh or only pick j4 as a counter. I just mentioned thresh because you said janna/alistar are biggest counters.He isn't the only one that would beat j4 easily lol.Morgana and sona are pretty much only 2 supports that could have issues with j4.Everyone else would dumpster him and he gets outscaled by everyone anyway. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On May 12 2014 03:01 Sufficiency wrote: I seriously doubt it. Playing against Silver people back then on my smurf after I descended into bronze made me realize it's not just the mechanics. There are multiple problems with most silver players (I am low plat in case that matters), but I actually find their decision making to be the most problematic. I agree. I play low plat/high gold ATM and find that it's mainly decision making (especially post lane decision making) that makes the difference. Second to that is attitude/playing on tilt and then mechanics. On the other hand my mechanics are bad so I may be biased. It's just that almost no amount of mechanics increase will let you win 1v5 but minor decision making changes will make those 4v4s into 5v4s. | ||
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