EPTShe could stay in the jungle longer tho, made it to level 6 without backing.
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
She could stay in the jungle longer tho, made it to level 6 without backing. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
And if you wanna ask: Runes = hybridpen / armor / mr / movespeed Masteries = http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=1-2-0-1-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree2=0-0-2-2-0-3-1-1-1-3-0-3-0-1-0-0-4-0-1&tree3=0-0-3-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&v=2 I imagine there'd be a faster clearing setup but that's what I use in teh solo queuez. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On February 20 2014 21:32 Sarah Bryant wrote: The diffrence is you will find something to make it look bad as you do now after i already shown my account. So i want someone to confirm it himself and report about it here. Maybe that's because it just looks bad period? On February 21 2014 02:28 brokenwatch wrote: I mean ww is pretty good but what if like someone maybe tried Malhazar support. I mean pertty similar skillset not bad damage. I think it would be great. I'm not saying ww support is bad though.I think it could be quite great. Just need to analyze him well and abuse his strengths. If say Madlife played WW Im sure none of you would argue about its viability.Gotta play him well. Quite an interesting and unique champion too. And surely its viable at D1. Just like everything is. Just look at all those 1 trick ponies playing all kinds of champions that seemingly make no sense. Lol is a deep game, can't just like analyze a whole game in a forum. Malzahar support is strictly better than WW support. On February 21 2014 02:51 Slayer91 wrote: strong ganking agressive junglers are favoured at the moment wait till hard engage takes over again or just start playing sejuani and make hard engage take over I personally perfer amumu because I hate playing fat slow champs so hard to dodge skillshots Play wukong, get best of both worlds  .On February 21 2014 02:53 Sarah Bryant wrote: Well, read my messages, i said about d1 "i'm not good enough to win with him at that level" and "he got huge problems at that level". I do play it and i try to make it work but so far i can't, so i can't sell people stuff i can't do myself. Yea you can do it all that with other top supports, but not with other unorthodox picks, which seperates him from them. And true, but you don't really need to outplay hard or put super effort with him any on skill level, just play smart. You DON'T play it. That's why your fucking main account has 0 games in ranked with him. There is no evidence whatsoever that you actually have played him and the only thing you are willing to provide to us is "come play a game where I pick him and if we win it's good" which is fucking retarded. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
and yea def better than ww, to be clear the vast majority of obscure support picks will be ranged, being melee with a low gold total means your just going to get blown up making you terrible unless you bring something really special to the table when you are in melee range. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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UnKooL
Korea (South)1667 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 21 2014 06:19 UnKooL wrote: So many players going athenes first on assassin ap champs mid but i dont see the appeal. For example ggong went athenes first on leblanc yesterday and xpeke athenes first on ahri today. I go DFG first in solo q, that's probably better for solo q right? btw there wasn't a lot of ap champs in the opposing teams so not they're not getting it for the mr i guess the mana regen and cdr gives them a more sustained dmg style of play rather than burst. Lane focused Leblanc goes Athenes first. What it's about is to constantly chunking the enemy midlaner with W, and R-empowered W. It can grab kills, but mostly it's to chunk them down to 20%, and so they can't actually stay in lane. And you just rinse and repeat without running out of mana, and then you just fucking do it constantly, until you just crush that lane super hard. Also it's better for extended teamfights, since you can keep spamming W, for easy AoE damage. It's essentially the requires minimal mechanical skill version of Leblanc. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
In a lot of high level games, you can't really depend on getting blue So Athene's lets you farm really hard to buy your next item, and your threat of chunking is still decently high That's how I see it anyways | ||
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Gahlo
United States35167 Posts
On February 21 2014 05:43 Ketara wrote: On Sej? I went W>Q>E>E>E And if you wanna ask: Runes = hybridpen / armor / mr / movespeed Masteries = http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=1-2-0-1-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree2=0-0-2-2-0-3-1-1-1-3-0-3-0-1-0-0-4-0-1&tree3=0-0-3-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&v=2 I imagine there'd be a faster clearing setup but that's what I use in teh solo queuez. AS marks make for faster clears by far, specifically. | ||
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Kyrie
1594 Posts
On February 21 2014 06:19 UnKooL wrote: So many players going athenes first on assassin ap champs mid but i dont see the appeal. For example ggong went athenes first on leblanc yesterday and xpeke athenes first on ahri today. I go DFG first in solo q, that's probably better for solo q right? btw there wasn't a lot of ap champs in the opposing teams so not they're not getting it for the mr i guess the mana regen and cdr gives them a more sustained dmg style of play rather than burst. in my understanding, the athenes builds are used to fit assassins into a siege and extended push oriented style of play. dfg rush can be better in lane/early roam due to the ability to threaten kills on healthier targets, but athenes can be preferable on leblanc in particular once teams start grouping. athenes is an adaptation to allow even single target burst aps to repeatedly come in and whittle down targets over the duration of a siege. ahri and leblanc are somewhat different cases due to ahri's mobility being tied to an ultimate's cooldown, but the rough principles outlined here do apply to ahri as well. see ambition in game 3 of ogn masters match 1 as another example of the athenes rush that said, dfg is still viable as a way of picking squishies to open opportunities during sieges. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
tons of variables ofc | ||
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Gahlo
United States35167 Posts
On February 21 2014 06:57 GolemMadness wrote: Speaking of supports, does nobody play Fiddlesticks support anymore? I avoid playing bot lane, but when I do I play Fiddle support since that's who I mostly played in the latter half of season 3. I never seen anybody else play him anymore though, and I've had a couple of people complain about my support choice recently. Typical "it got nerfed so it's shit now" behavior. Plus, I don't think he does well against popular supports currently. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On February 21 2014 06:59 Gahlo wrote: Typical "it got nerfed so it's shit now" behavior. Plus, I don't think he does well against popular supports currently. the former is pretty unfair, the latter is the real reason, he's really only safe as if the other botlane is already picked and has like 0 burst (which is pretty rare now days) | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 21 2014 06:57 Slusher wrote: Fuck I hated the Athene's first build until I saw that ambition game, I think for most players dfg route is better. tons of variables ofc I hate how stupidly effective it is. It makes playing leblanc stupidly easy to do. Hurr durr spam W. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35167 Posts
On February 21 2014 07:02 Slusher wrote: the former is pretty unfair, the latter is the real reason, he's really only safe as if the other botlane is already picked and has like 0 burst (which is pretty rare now days) The former predates the latter though, iirc. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On February 21 2014 07:02 Slusher wrote: the former is pretty unfair, the latter is the real reason, he's really only safe as if the other botlane is already picked and has like 0 burst (which is pretty rare now days) well...Fiddle's fear did get wrecked pretty hard. 3 second fear to 2.25 seconds is a pretty huge nerf. 25% decrease in cc time. Then if you add in the fact that supports tend to itemize cdr, it went from 45% uptime to ~33% uptime. Saying it's typical nerf backlash behavior is disingenuous. Aggressive supports rising certainly didn't help, but the nerf was the final nail in the coffin so to speak. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On February 21 2014 07:04 Gahlo wrote: The former predates the latter though, iirc. Nerf was in the Yasuo patch, he disappeared pretty much immediately after the preseason patch (at least in my memory) | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Imagine if Swain could keep maxed Torment's %damage amp. while maxing Nevermove to farm. On February 21 2014 07:02 Slusher wrote: the former is pretty unfair, the latter is the real reason, he's really only safe as if the other botlane is already picked and has like 0 burst (which is pretty rare now days) Na, going from 3s to 2.3s is big. You've got to realise it lose almost 25% of its duration and it went from around double a standard stun's duration to only 50% more. Post-tenacity the difference is less than 0.5s. And he sucks against tanky/sustain supports because apart from his good early levels, his range and aa animation don't let him harass melee (usually tanky+good burst/initiation) or poke supports well, meaning dshield start trashes him, and hard initiation popularity too. He would love the CDR he can get from Talisman+Lucidity though, then dump all his gold in survivability and sightstone. Lack of Oracle makes it harder for him to initiate tho. | ||
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