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VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
February 20 2014 17:39 GMT
#1841
I will back up the fact that fiora is playable in solo q, she is my most played atm. renekton and trundle are too popular in LCS for her to work there and the mid lanes are too skilled to lose to fiora mid.

If a team were to blind pick mundo or something similar with little lane pressure then fiora would work as a niche pick, but I don't know of anyone that actually plays her or knows the top MUs that well.
I come in for the scraps
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23462 Posts
February 20 2014 17:40 GMT
#1842
Yeah fiora has a tough time vs a lot of tops, but if you play well I think she is fine mid. You have some tough matchups but you have one combo chances especially with ganks so you can do OK
aka Teutonica
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-20 17:44:10
February 20 2014 17:43 GMT
#1843
I miss the days when TLGD would talk about things that weren't related to WW Support.

Remember when we used to bash everything other than Warwick? Oh last week.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
February 20 2014 17:45 GMT
#1844
We should institute that thingy from ixdl, if you find someone annoying, challenge them to a 1v1 mid, fb or first tower wins. Loser has to not post in gd for a week.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23462 Posts
February 20 2014 17:45 GMT
#1845
still better than people bitching about riots balancing for 20 pages every new patch
aka Teutonica
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 20 2014 17:47 GMT
#1846
On February 21 2014 01:49 Parnage wrote:
Was about as fun to play as watching a painting of a unicorn dry. I dunno I generally agree with the soraka/sustain supports are bad idea. They explained it ages ago I am sure you could find it with some digging. I'am fine with them being around I just don't want them turning bot lane into a boring "lalaa you can't kill me" like before.

'cause there's a middle-ground to it (are you going to tell me that Sona lanes are ungankable and passive as shit for example? Or Alistar?) and the PoV expressed by Morello (and semingly the one he personally pushes as well) is that it can only be bad, always, never not, 100%, and should be removed faster that you can think up some curse words for Vlad.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
February 20 2014 17:48 GMT
#1847
On February 21 2014 02:43 Ketara wrote:
I miss the days when TLGD would talk about things that weren't related to WW Support.

Remember when we used to bash everything other than Warwick? Oh last week.

We need another thread just for warwick support
Glorious SEA doto
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
February 20 2014 17:50 GMT
#1848
yea i don't really see why people are going nuts for a patch so much, besides like khazix and elise all the "op" champs have decent counterplay. I would put teemo here too but he can be taken care of if they pick first. Having counterplay limited to "pick after them" is pretty horrible though
I come in for the scraps
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 20 2014 17:50 GMT
#1849
On February 21 2014 02:45 Slayer91 wrote:
still better than people bitching about riots balancing for 20 pages every new patch


It's like we only have toxic topics here.

In other news, I still think Sejuani is ridiculously OP, I am wondering why she hasn't gotten the TL stamp of approval. Am I bad?

(hint: I'm bad)
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23462 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-20 17:51:59
February 20 2014 17:51 GMT
#1850
strong ganking agressive junglers are favoured at the moment
wait till hard engage takes over again
or just start playing sejuani and make hard engage take over
I personally perfer amumu because I hate playing fat slow champs
so hard to dodge skillshots
aka Teutonica
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 20 2014 17:52 GMT
#1851
You don't dodge skillshots. You block them. Save all that excess buttonclicking for taunting them.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Sarah Bryant
Profile Joined January 2014
United Kingdom160 Posts
February 20 2014 17:53 GMT
#1852
On February 21 2014 02:38 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 02:30 Sarah Bryant wrote:
Arr slayer i moved on!. but as i said it's not about diamond who stomp other people.


That oce plat guy from 2 pages ago have a replay link of a game from today where he[?] had ww support. Despite bad build on that ww he manages to carry through all the stuff i said: mid ignite ganks, good bot dive ganks, as to help neutral buffs and tf, good damage, etc...it's not some diamond carrying on lower level game[as far as we know]


It's not about diamond who stomp other people. How can you say that when you refuse to play warwick on your actual skill level. How come playing on your main account gives you the conclusion that
"he's not viable at that skill level" and not the logical one which is
"I can't win with him at that skill level". There is nothing that changes except skill level of the opponents through the ranks and there's absolutely no reason to believe that the champ is entirely dependent on opponent skill.

Ganking mid with ignite, diving bot, helping neutrals, good damage they are all game changing moves that you can do with lots of other supports and generally they are things that suppotrs who are carrying the game do.
Also just because someone is playing at their level doesn't mean they aren't outplaying their opponents. I can feed or go legendary with the same champ at the same skill level and its all because my skill level has huge variance.


Well, read my messages, i said about d1 "i'm not good enough to win with him at that level" and "he got huge problems at that level". I do play it and i try to make it work but so far i can't, so i can't sell people stuff i can't do myself.

Yea you can do it all that with other top supports, but not with other unorthodox picks, which seperates him from them.

And true, but you don't really need to outplay hard or put super effort with him any on skill level, just play smart.

Pumpkins!
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 20 2014 17:54 GMT
#1853
Yeah like Slayer91 said, Amumu seems to be way better than Sejuani at the moment. I don’t think Sejuani is bad, but Amumu is just so much better right now.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23462 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-20 18:00:03
February 20 2014 17:56 GMT
#1854
On February 21 2014 02:52 Ketara wrote:
You don't dodge skillshots. You block them. Save all that excess buttonclicking for taunting them.


this barely worked when force of nature chogath was in the game

On February 21 2014 02:53 Sarah Bryant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 02:38 Slayer91 wrote:
On February 21 2014 02:30 Sarah Bryant wrote:
Arr slayer i moved on!. but as i said it's not about diamond who stomp other people.


That oce plat guy from 2 pages ago have a replay link of a game from today where he[?] had ww support. Despite bad build on that ww he manages to carry through all the stuff i said: mid ignite ganks, good bot dive ganks, as to help neutral buffs and tf, good damage, etc...it's not some diamond carrying on lower level game[as far as we know]


It's not about diamond who stomp other people. How can you say that when you refuse to play warwick on your actual skill level. How come playing on your main account gives you the conclusion that
"he's not viable at that skill level" and not the logical one which is
"I can't win with him at that skill level". There is nothing that changes except skill level of the opponents through the ranks and there's absolutely no reason to believe that the champ is entirely dependent on opponent skill.

Ganking mid with ignite, diving bot, helping neutrals, good damage they are all game changing moves that you can do with lots of other supports and generally they are things that suppotrs who are carrying the game do.
Also just because someone is playing at their level doesn't mean they aren't outplaying their opponents. I can feed or go legendary with the same champ at the same skill level and its all because my skill level has huge variance.


Well, read my messages, i said about d1 "i'm not good enough to win with him at that level" and "he got huge problems at that level". I do play it and i try to make it work but so far i can't, so i can't sell people stuff i can't do myself.

Yea you can do it all that with other top supports, but not with other unorthodox picks, which seperates him from them.

And true, but you don't really need to outplay hard or put super effort with him any on skill level, just play smart.



how do you know you can't do it with other unorthodox picks, I bet you haven't put enough effort into those unorthodox supports to try to make them work. Maybe they'll do fine at all levels lower than Diamond X for you.

Also outplay hard//super effort all subjective terms. This game is really easy in terms of effort required its all "playing smart" pretty much.
it just seems relaxed because you literlaly can't do anything for most of the early game which is the most stressful part because you need to focus a lot there to win lanes.
aka Teutonica
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 20 2014 17:59 GMT
#1855
Did gambit say how long they will need substitutes for? Is it just this week? Or is it indefinite until visas are resolved?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 20 2014 18:00 GMT
#1856
Pretty sure TL agrees as a whole that Sejuani's good in general, but yeah... not now.
I guess I'll have to pickup Lee Sin... Nautilus really weak now, both in general and relative to the meta, and people hand out Vi bans like candy, and I can't rely on "generic" picks a la J4, Maokai, Mundo like I did last season (well, I can still use Mundo, it's just he's weak during his first clear and I'd rather be able to countergank at 3 if needed raher than be half-health with all potions down).

Touching Elise or Kha'Zix is out of the question. Maybe try my hand more seriously at Evelynn. Stuff like Hecarim could probably work too but I've never exactly plyed it in PvP so worse starting point than others. Lee has the advantage of always being relevant meta-wise.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
February 20 2014 18:01 GMT
#1857
On February 21 2014 03:00 Alaric wrote:
Pretty sure TL agrees as a whole that Sejuani's good in general, but yeah... not now.
I guess I'll have to pickup Lee Sin... Nautilus really weak now, both in general and relative to the meta, and people hand out Vi bans like candy, and I can't rely on "generic" picks a la J4, Maokai, Mundo like I did last season (well, I can still use Mundo, it's just he's weak during his first clear and I'd rather be able to countergank at 3 if needed raher than be half-health with all potions down).

Touching Elise or Kha'Zix is out of the question. Maybe try my hand more seriously at Evelynn. Stuff like Hecarim could probably work too but I've never exactly plyed it in PvP so worse starting point than others. Lee has the advantage of always being relevant meta-wise.


naut needs to be good again because AstroNautilus is in the Top #5 Skins.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Sarah Bryant
Profile Joined January 2014
United Kingdom160 Posts
February 20 2014 18:04 GMT
#1858
On February 21 2014 02:56 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 02:52 Ketara wrote:
You don't dodge skillshots. You block them. Save all that excess buttonclicking for taunting them.


this barely worked when force of nature chogath was in the game

Show nested quote +
On February 21 2014 02:53 Sarah Bryant wrote:
On February 21 2014 02:38 Slayer91 wrote:
On February 21 2014 02:30 Sarah Bryant wrote:
Arr slayer i moved on!. but as i said it's not about diamond who stomp other people.


That oce plat guy from 2 pages ago have a replay link of a game from today where he[?] had ww support. Despite bad build on that ww he manages to carry through all the stuff i said: mid ignite ganks, good bot dive ganks, as to help neutral buffs and tf, good damage, etc...it's not some diamond carrying on lower level game[as far as we know]


It's not about diamond who stomp other people. How can you say that when you refuse to play warwick on your actual skill level. How come playing on your main account gives you the conclusion that
"he's not viable at that skill level" and not the logical one which is
"I can't win with him at that skill level". There is nothing that changes except skill level of the opponents through the ranks and there's absolutely no reason to believe that the champ is entirely dependent on opponent skill.

Ganking mid with ignite, diving bot, helping neutrals, good damage they are all game changing moves that you can do with lots of other supports and generally they are things that suppotrs who are carrying the game do.
Also just because someone is playing at their level doesn't mean they aren't outplaying their opponents. I can feed or go legendary with the same champ at the same skill level and its all because my skill level has huge variance.


Well, read my messages, i said about d1 "i'm not good enough to win with him at that level" and "he got huge problems at that level". I do play it and i try to make it work but so far i can't, so i chttps://www.google.com/search?q=villain&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:he:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflban't sell people stuff i can't do myself.

Yea you can do it all that with other top supports, but not with other unorthodox picks, which seperates him from them.

And true, but you don't really need to outplay hard or put super effort with him any on skill level, just play smart.



how do you know you can't do it with other unorthodox picks, I bet you haven't put enough effort into those unorthodox supports to try to make them work. Maybe they'll do fine at all levels lower than Diamond X for you.

Also outplay hard//super effort all subjective terms. This game is really easy in terms of effort required its all "playing smart" pretty much.
it just seems relaxed because you literlaly can't do anything for most of the early game which is the most stressful part because you need to focus a lot there to win lanes.



Yeah, i main bot and i know how stressful it can be .

Well, they may work,.but because of my general game level and not because they are necessarily good. If this were the case i wouldn't be able to call my idea any good, but as i said i feel that's not the case and you don't need to be in a level above the game to make it work over time.
Pumpkins!
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
February 20 2014 18:04 GMT
#1859
On February 21 2014 03:00 Alaric wrote:
Pretty sure TL agrees as a whole that Sejuani's good in general, but yeah... not now.
I guess I'll have to pickup Lee Sin... Nautilus really weak now, both in general and relative to the meta, and people hand out Vi bans like candy, and I can't rely on "generic" picks a la J4, Maokai, Mundo like I did last season (well, I can still use Mundo, it's just he's weak during his first clear and I'd rather be able to countergank at 3 if needed raher than be half-health with all potions down).

Touching Elise or Kha'Zix is out of the question. Maybe try my hand more seriously at Evelynn. Stuff like Hecarim could probably work too but I've never exactly plyed it in PvP so worse starting point than others. Lee has the advantage of always being relevant meta-wise.

Wheelking/fildun played an absolute ton of sejuani last season, and he said he doesn't like it anymore because apparently her early clear is terrible now (or something like that.)
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
February 20 2014 18:04 GMT
#1860
Seems like they just enabled Hexakill ;-)
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