• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:04
CEST 17:04
KST 00:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners6Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)8[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th156Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0
StarCraft 2
General
High level ptr replays? where can I find them? StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) GSL Code S Season 2 (2026)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? [BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Does Workplace Frustration D…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8017 users

[Patch 4.2] Xerath/Skarner General Discussion - Page 139

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 137 138 139
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
February 26 2014 23:26 GMT
#2761
On February 27 2014 07:48 Eppa! wrote:
Played a game of Ahri, spent all game under turret as her harass has been overnerfed, E should only affect ulti and W. She is a champion that fits the meta just fine and yet her numbers are to weak.

Ahri's numbers aren't weak you just gotta hit the charm. Her Q damage is still decent even without it.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 26 2014 23:28 GMT
#2762
look at the top picked adcs they all

a) are good for taking towers (Jinx, Lucian, Cait)

b) team buff (Sivir)

it really isn't as much about mobility as much as adc is in a spot right now where you pick them to support the team and not vice versa, so kinda what wei2 is saying but also kinda not. (it's actually surprisingly not all about mobility)
Carrilord has arrived.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
February 26 2014 23:28 GMT
#2763
So before thread closes, and since we are on the subject of runes. I miss dodge runes so much. The best thing ever. I also miss how amazing attack speed runes were before.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 26 2014 23:30 GMT
#2764
On February 27 2014 08:28 ketchup wrote:
So before thread closes, and since we are on the subject of runes. I miss dodge runes so much. The best thing ever. I also miss how amazing attack speed runes were before.


I don't know why but this post reminds me of double doran + IE + green pot timing RIP you crazy build RIP
Carrilord has arrived.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
February 26 2014 23:33 GMT
#2765
On February 27 2014 08:28 Slusher wrote:
look at the top picked adcs they all

a) are good for taking towers (Jinx, Lucian, Cait)

b) team buff (Sivir)

it really isn't as much about mobility as much as adc is in a spot right now where you pick them to support the team and not vice versa, so kinda what wei2 is saying but also kinda not. (it's actually surprisingly not all about mobility)

You forgot Draven because Draven.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 26 2014 23:33 GMT
#2766
On February 27 2014 08:28 Slusher wrote:
look at the top picked adcs they all

a) are good for taking towers (Jinx, Lucian, Cait)

b) team buff (Sivir)

it really isn't as much about mobility as much as adc is in a spot right now where you pick them to support the team and not vice versa, so kinda what wei2 is saying but also kinda not. (it's actually surprisingly not all about mobility)

Lucian/Cait/Sivir all super slippery, it's definitely a big part. The fact that we still see tons of Ez despite how little damage he does is proof of this.
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
February 26 2014 23:35 GMT
#2767
On February 27 2014 07:53 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 07:48 Slusher wrote:
On February 27 2014 07:37 onlywonderboy wrote:
On February 27 2014 07:35 wei2coolman wrote:
I'm probably the only person here who thinks Khaziks doesn't warrant a nerf. He's pretty healthy in competitive play right now. He's picked, but he's not 100% pick/ban status, he can still be rendered useless, his lategame suffers a huge drop, etc etc. Despite the claims of "toxic" gameplay, he's actually pretty dynamic.

Too bad he stomps noobs, Shaco syndrome.


no, the actual isolated evolved Q damage was too high even at high level play, they could have left him alone otherwise, the E change in addition I could agree was unneeded.

Yeah, I can agree with the isolated evolved Q damage being too insane, but even then, that's his only real tool to punish bad rotation, if they hit it too hard, he loses that entire set of play.

IsoQ does more damage to a single target than all 3 Riven Qs + passive stacks before the % missing damage.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-26 23:44:24
February 26 2014 23:37 GMT
#2768
On February 27 2014 08:33 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 08:28 Slusher wrote:
look at the top picked adcs they all

a) are good for taking towers (Jinx, Lucian, Cait)

b) team buff (Sivir)

it really isn't as much about mobility as much as adc is in a spot right now where you pick them to support the team and not vice versa, so kinda what wei2 is saying but also kinda not. (it's actually surprisingly not all about mobility)

Lucian/Cait/Sivir all super slippery, it's definitely a big part. The fact that we still see tons of Ez despite how little damage he does is proof of this.


except we see them over Trist and Ez because of tower damage. and Sivir is such a terrible duelist to say that she's picked for anything other than ult bot is disingenuous with reality
Carrilord has arrived.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 26 2014 23:37 GMT
#2769
Varus had good cc and damage, especially in sieges and the midgame.
Now that the supports have taken back the mantle of initiation/counter-initiation, his ult's value decreases. His damage? It's pitiful compared to Jinx, unless you're sieging and manage to tag people with head-on Qs.

On February 27 2014 07:47 IMoperator wrote:
also nerf panth ult cd pls

Already a good 30s flat more than the "standard" ult cd, although I agree it's shorter than TF/Shen/Karthus (it's also "riskier" and less versatile).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-26 23:40:49
February 26 2014 23:38 GMT
#2770
On February 27 2014 08:37 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 08:33 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 27 2014 08:28 Slusher wrote:
look at the top picked adcs they all

a) are good for taking towers (Jinx, Lucian, Cait)

b) team buff (Sivir)

it really isn't as much about mobility as much as adc is in a spot right now where you pick them to support the team and not vice versa, so kinda what wei2 is saying but also kinda not. (it's actually surprisingly not all about mobility)

Lucian/Cait/Sivir all super slippery, it's definitely a big part. The fact that we still see tons of Ez despite how little damage he does is proof of this.


except we see them over Trist and Ez because of tower damage.

Saw more Jinx than Ez in OGN iirc.
Trist's escape is insanely clunky, and she has her own share of problems outside of tower taking.
We still see Vayne, despite her lack of tower taking ability.
On February 27 2014 08:35 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 07:53 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 27 2014 07:48 Slusher wrote:
On February 27 2014 07:37 onlywonderboy wrote:
On February 27 2014 07:35 wei2coolman wrote:
I'm probably the only person here who thinks Khaziks doesn't warrant a nerf. He's pretty healthy in competitive play right now. He's picked, but he's not 100% pick/ban status, he can still be rendered useless, his lategame suffers a huge drop, etc etc. Despite the claims of "toxic" gameplay, he's actually pretty dynamic.

Too bad he stomps noobs, Shaco syndrome.


no, the actual isolated evolved Q damage was too high even at high level play, they could have left him alone otherwise, the E change in addition I could agree was unneeded.

Yeah, I can agree with the isolated evolved Q damage being too insane, but even then, that's his only real tool to punish bad rotation, if they hit it too hard, he loses that entire set of play.

IsoQ does more damage to a single target than all 3 Riven Qs + passive stacks before the % missing damage.

Riven Q's give her mobility, are AoE, and offer CC. Can't really compare the utility + damage of Riven's Q to Khazik's damage (which is also very situational.)
liftlift > tsm
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
February 26 2014 23:43 GMT
#2771
On February 27 2014 08:37 Alaric wrote:
Varus had good cc and damage, especially in sieges and the midgame.
Now that the supports have taken back the mantle of initiation/counter-initiation, his ult's value decreases. His damage? It's pitiful compared to Jinx, unless you're sieging and manage to tag people with head-on Qs.

Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 07:47 IMoperator wrote:
also nerf panth ult cd pls

Already a good 30s flat more than the "standard" ult cd, although I agree it's shorter than TF/Shen/Karthus (it's also "riskier" and less versatile).

you just don't know the power of ap varus man
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
February 26 2014 23:44 GMT
#2772
On February 27 2014 08:43 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 08:37 Alaric wrote:
Varus had good cc and damage, especially in sieges and the midgame.
Now that the supports have taken back the mantle of initiation/counter-initiation, his ult's value decreases. His damage? It's pitiful compared to Jinx, unless you're sieging and manage to tag people with head-on Qs.

On February 27 2014 07:47 IMoperator wrote:
also nerf panth ult cd pls

Already a good 30s flat more than the "standard" ult cd, although I agree it's shorter than TF/Shen/Karthus (it's also "riskier" and less versatile).

you just don't know the power of ap varus man

Pls, AP MF is where it's at. Step in, chunk low by making it rain then strut out like you don't give a fuck
Glorious SEA doto
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 26 2014 23:50 GMT
#2773
thinking about it more Vol'Kez is so bland compared to his art concept. he's a giant eyeball, outside of his ult I don't feel like they capitalized on this design concept at all.
Carrilord has arrived.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
February 26 2014 23:51 GMT
#2774
On February 27 2014 08:38 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 08:37 Slusher wrote:
On February 27 2014 08:33 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 27 2014 08:28 Slusher wrote:
look at the top picked adcs they all

a) are good for taking towers (Jinx, Lucian, Cait)

b) team buff (Sivir)

it really isn't as much about mobility as much as adc is in a spot right now where you pick them to support the team and not vice versa, so kinda what wei2 is saying but also kinda not. (it's actually surprisingly not all about mobility)

Lucian/Cait/Sivir all super slippery, it's definitely a big part. The fact that we still see tons of Ez despite how little damage he does is proof of this.


except we see them over Trist and Ez because of tower damage.

Saw more Jinx than Ez in OGN iirc.
Trist's escape is insanely clunky, and she has her own share of problems outside of tower taking.
We still see Vayne, despite her lack of tower taking ability.
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 08:35 Gahlo wrote:
On February 27 2014 07:53 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 27 2014 07:48 Slusher wrote:
On February 27 2014 07:37 onlywonderboy wrote:
On February 27 2014 07:35 wei2coolman wrote:
I'm probably the only person here who thinks Khaziks doesn't warrant a nerf. He's pretty healthy in competitive play right now. He's picked, but he's not 100% pick/ban status, he can still be rendered useless, his lategame suffers a huge drop, etc etc. Despite the claims of "toxic" gameplay, he's actually pretty dynamic.

Too bad he stomps noobs, Shaco syndrome.


no, the actual isolated evolved Q damage was too high even at high level play, they could have left him alone otherwise, the E change in addition I could agree was unneeded.

Yeah, I can agree with the isolated evolved Q damage being too insane, but even then, that's his only real tool to punish bad rotation, if they hit it too hard, he loses that entire set of play.

IsoQ does more damage to a single target than all 3 Riven Qs + passive stacks before the % missing damage.

Riven Q's give her mobility, are AoE, and offer CC. Can't really compare the utility + damage of Riven's Q to Khazik's damage (which is also very situational.)

The only thing I was comparing was the damage because people don't have any real concept of how much damage it actually does.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 26 2014 23:53 GMT
#2775
I know an isolated Q can easily deal 1/4th-1/3rd of a "standard" champion (eg. defensives runes and boots, good base stats, not built full tank with like Sunfire first into 3 defensive items) and is on a 3.5s cd if your team isn't immediatly close by to save you.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 01:29:48
February 26 2014 23:55 GMT
#2776
DARKNESSSSSSSssssssss


ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Prev 1 137 138 139
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
15:00
Season Finals: Group Stage 2
RotterdaM94
BRAT_OK 19
SteadfastSC18
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Serral 2455
uThermal 446
SHIN 120
RotterdaM 94
LamboSC2 59
Vindicta 40
mouzHeroMarine 38
BRAT_OK 19
SteadfastSC 18
sc2solar 1
SpiritSC2 1
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 53301
Calm 4549
firebathero 2967
Sea 1807
EffOrt 973
Mini 429
ggaemo 309
actioN 191
Nal_rA 173
hero 125
[ Show more ]
Pusan 83
Hyun 74
Sea.KH 59
JYJ 55
Sharp 54
910 51
Last 40
ToSsGirL 32
Shine 24
Killer 22
zelot 19
sorry 18
Sacsri 17
Rock 17
GoRush 15
Movie 14
IntoTheRainbow 12
Noble 7
Dota 2
qojqva3383
Counter-Strike
fl0m9658
zeus105
kRYSTAL_33
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King146
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor337
MindelVK9
Other Games
gofns33748
tarik_tv8436
singsing2732
B2W.Neo647
crisheroes394
olofmeister243
DeMusliM178
ArmadaUGS95
KnowMe89
QueenE37
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV976
StarCraft 2
TaKeTV 160
Other Games
BasetradeTV137
StarCraft 2
angryscii 30
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH256
• Adnapsc2 6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota252
League of Legends
• Nemesis5322
Upcoming Events
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
3h 56m
Jaystar vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs TerrOr
XuanXuan vs Bonyth
Mihu vs Dewalt
Messiah vs Jaystar
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
TerrOr vs Dewalt
Wardi Open
19h 56m
OSC
1d 8h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
OSC
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
6 days
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - GSB
2026 GSL S2
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.