EPTi always maxed q first why would you max e first dat cd so long
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
i always maxed q first why would you max e first dat cd so long | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 21 2013 03:02 Diamond wrote: So you are saying he is not tanky when yo don't build him tanky? Well yea, that's why you build him (and pretty much every other "meta" jungle) tanky. He has great built in armor scaling with his E, kicks ass off tanky builds (locket, bullwark, etc), insane range, great cc, a sick passive, armor shred, and a team attack speed aura. If you are building J4 un-tanky you are doing ti wrong, most of my J4 games end with 250+ armor, 150~ MR, and 3k~ health, not frail at all. Do you really think I'm this stupid? My point was that he needs a lot off farm to get tanky. His defensive steroids feels pretty weak in comparison to some of his counter parts. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
He does have extremely good presence though, has good dueling and very good ganks. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
I agree with Teut, the Flag CD is very long and while +3 armor and +3/6% attack speed is nice, the increased damage and lower cooldown of Jarv's Q is usually (always?) superior. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On May 21 2013 03:22 Amui wrote: I feel like J4 you need to farm your ass off or else get kills to stay relevant, and I see that happen even in LCS games. J4 that's ahead tends to stay ahead because he can just ult anybody and duel them inside the arena, but if he's behind he ults and gets focused immediately and blows up. He does have extremely good presence though, has good dueling and very good ganks. His early ganks are incredibly scary, one of his biggest strengths. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On May 21 2013 03:20 wei2coolman wrote: Do you really think I'm this stupid? My point was that he needs a lot off farm to get tanky. His defensive steroids feels pretty weak in comparison to some of his counter parts. Once you get locket + razor you are pretty beefy as is. On May 21 2013 03:16 Slayer91 wrote: j4 has one of the lowest base armours in the game to counterbalance his flag i always maxed q first why would you max e first dat cd so long To get all the stats it provides. Just checked too, it's not just me: http://www.lolpro.com/guides/jarvan-iv/237-jarvan-build-guide-jungle-by-crumbzz Edit: Since when has J4 required a lot of farm? Did I miss something in the last week with J4? One of his strengths is he does very well with little gear. Locket + Razor + Merc Treds and you pretty beefy. What am I missing here? Because everything being said at the moment goes totally against what has made J4 great since the start of S3, how did it all change in less than a week? | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 21 2013 03:23 Diamond wrote: Once you get locket + razor you are pretty beefy as is. To get all the stats it provides. Just checked too, it's not just me: http://www.lolpro.com/guides/jarvan-iv/237-jarvan-build-guide-jungle-by-crumbzz Locket and razor are fine for midgame. But the biggest issue is getting enough farm to stay tanky enough towards late game. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
What is unimpressive about Jarvan's survivability is his mediocre base HP. His base HP is somewhere in the middle for the entire champ pool (and well below average for a frontline melee), and while his HP growth is above average, it's still not impressive for a frontliner. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On May 21 2013 03:27 NeoIllusions wrote: People still get Razor? News to me. Not on many people, but here and there, J4 seems right on for it. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On May 21 2013 03:27 NeoIllusions wrote: People still get Razor? News to me. That's a good point, the new Crest of the Ancient Golem is getting rushed more often than Locket so they might as well build Spirit Stone instead of Razor. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
If you want a jungler that doesn't need a lot of farm, go for a jungler who initiates from distance, not by jumping in (for example Sejuani or Nautilus). | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On May 21 2013 03:33 Scip wrote: Or the Lizard Elder, he has acceptable AD scaling. He also had large mana problems. Don't you just get one shotted?I've seen a lot of people try it in solo q and then they just in fights super fast.At least they farm really fast with it I guess. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11324 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On May 21 2013 03:40 Simberto wrote: So, how long until people realize that Ez is first pick/ban material in soloqueue with blue build? He already gets picked in every game, but people still don't ban him for some reason. because more than half the time people don't understand why its strong and either don't take advantage of it or can't farm enough to not fall behind | ||
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On May 21 2013 03:40 Simberto wrote: So, how long until people realize that Ez is first pick/ban material in soloqueue with blue build? He already gets picked in every game, but people still don't ban him for some reason. Because it isn't. | ||
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