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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Edit: I've always felt that J4 midgame is a tanky beast. Nothing mathematical to back this up but it's always feeling that I've had. What's more weird is why I never decided to pick him up despite his versatility. Edit2: Yango would like me to clarify: "i hate regen when youre paying for regen i have no problems with getting regen for free see locket, aegis, warmogs, all 3 spirit upgrades" | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On May 21 2013 03:40 Simberto wrote: So, how long until people realize that Ez is first pick/ban material in soloqueue with blue build? He already gets picked in every game, but people still don't ban him for some reason. See Ezreal Pick Vayne Win game He can't kite her, can't duel her, can't escape her. Well he can jump a wall I guess. Honestly with the Caitlyn nerfs Vayne is easily #1 carry now, the only problem is Draven. Have to be careful with MF but you can get ahead with ganks and then hold the lead. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On May 21 2013 03:45 NeoIllusions wrote: Even on single target autoattack Junglers like Nocturne (sup?) I lean more towards Elder Lizard now. So far in most situations, I've been able to rush the item with little to no drawback. Sure it makes me squisher than if I had a Cloth or Ruby but early game/first 9 levels is more about picking your fights, especially as a Jungler. And to Yango's dismay, I think the regen off SS is not bad. philo stone hi. Edit: I've always felt that J4 midgame is a tanky beast. Nothing mathematical to back this up but it's always feeling that I've had. What's more weird is why I never decided to pick him up despite his versatility. For sure, I only run Razor myself on J4 and Lee Sin now (and I like NEVER jungle Lee Sin). With J4 tho I would rather spend the 1700 gold spent turning a machete into a Elder Lizard into instead 400 gold for a Razor (and get the nice armor from it) and put 1300 extra gold (enough for Kindlegem, Cloth Armor, and Rejuv Bead) into a faster locket/bullwark. I don't think the damage is a big deal on J4 tho, you have the absurd passive and a great armor shred, he's the only solo que jungler I run 100% tank. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4123 Posts
I also still run razor on Xin, he really needs the dmg imo. (Not that I play him that often anymore) | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 21 2013 03:54 Fildun wrote: Holy bananas, just bought Sej and god is she strong or what. We were losing, one good ult, killed their nexus lol. I also still run razor on Xin, he really needs the dmg imo. (Not that I play him that often anymore) Sej's ult was always bullshit, the rest of her kit just kind of was mediocre in comparison. And then they made it better and only marginally nerfed her ult. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On May 21 2013 03:23 Diamond wrote: Once you get locket + razor you are pretty beefy as is. To get all the stats it provides. Just checked too, it's not just me: http://www.lolpro.com/guides/jarvan-iv/237-jarvan-build-guide-jungle-by-crumbzz Edit: Since when has J4 required a lot of farm? Did I miss something in the last week with J4? One of his strengths is he does very well with little gear. Locket + Razor + Merc Treds and you pretty beefy. What am I missing here? Because everything being said at the moment goes totally against what has made J4 great since the start of S3, how did it all change in less than a week? That guide was written when E still gave your whole team Armor (and doubled your bonus). A week later that was removed, and with it the biggest reason for maxing E first. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
On May 21 2013 03:50 Alzadar wrote: See Ezreal Pick Vayne Win game He can't kite her, can't duel her, can't escape her. Well he can jump a wall I guess. Honestly with the Caitlyn nerfs Vayne is easily #1 carry now, the only problem is Draven. Have to be careful with MF but you can get ahead with ganks and then hold the lead. Varus still awesome though. And Ashe really good sometimes. And Trist still good sometimes too. Saying someone is the #1 carry is a realy bad statement to make, as I can think of plenty of situations where I wouldn't want a Vayne and instead want someone else. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On May 21 2013 04:02 Seuss wrote: That guide was written when E still gave your whole team Armor (and doubled your bonus). A week later that was removed, and with it the biggest reason for maxing E first. Idk I still think it's better to max. Attack speed is nice, a team aura attack speed is even nicer. Plus ofc the armor bonus. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 21 2013 04:03 Diamond wrote: Idk I still think it's better to max. Attack speed is nice, a team aura attack speed is even nicer. Plus ofc the armor bonus. Team aura AS is situational, as late game it's only going to affect you and your AD, unless you have like Jax or Irelia top, but auto top champs are falling out of favor. If that's what you're looking for, Nunu does it better. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11859 Posts
On May 21 2013 04:02 Dark_Chill wrote: Varus still awesome though. And Ashe really good sometimes. And Trist still good sometimes too. Saying someone is the #1 carry is a realy bad statement to make, as I can think of plenty of situations where I wouldn't want a Vayne and instead want someone else. I never want a vayne in my team. Vayne generally sucks hard. Most of them lose lane, and even if they don't, they are absurdly shortranged and have no escape and just die in every teamfight. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On May 21 2013 04:02 Dark_Chill wrote: Varus still awesome though. And Ashe really good sometimes. And Trist still good sometimes too. Saying someone is the #1 carry is a realy bad statement to make, as I can think of plenty of situations where I wouldn't want a Vayne and instead want someone else. The thing is, you can only pick Vayne after making sure the other team has an AD or they'll just go Cait who still makes your life miserable. Ez hasn't bee top tier for a long time and although Blue/American Ez is good it still can get countered (idk if Vayne is a good one, but I'll take your word). If we had to pick a n1 AD, I'd have to say Varus. He's a very safe pick-- no true escape, but good range, poke and brings his own CC. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On May 21 2013 03:50 Alzadar wrote: See Ezreal Pick Vayne Win game He can't kite her, can't duel her, can't escape her. Well he can jump a wall I guess. Honestly with the Caitlyn nerfs Vayne is easily #1 carry now, the only problem is Draven. Have to be careful with MF but you can get ahead with ganks and then hold the lead. I don't think a good vayne stands a chance against even a mediocre ezreal in lane, especially taking into consideration that some of her best lane partners (nunu, nami, zyra) are nigh helpless against ezreal. Take into account that ezreal's effective range with blue buff (all auto attacks are now Qs instead) is more than double vayne's... and he has a teamwide steroid and a more effective escape... I really question your logic | ||
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Lounge
537 Posts
On May 21 2013 04:10 Simberto wrote: I never want a vayne in my team. Vayne generally sucks hard. Most of them lose lane, and even if they don't, they are absurdly shortranged and have no escape and just die in every teamfight. I'm at the point where I'd rather have Vayne than Ez. Ez just follow the fotm build and do no damage when your team needs it, and then end game comes around and you have a cheaper/less slot efficiency than the other ADC. Stall long enough and even the worst Vayne turns into a hyper carry. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On May 21 2013 04:17 gtrsrs wrote: I don't think a good vayne stands a chance against even a mediocre ezreal in lane, especially taking into consideration that some of her best lane partners (nunu, nami, zyra) are nigh helpless against ezreal. Take into account that ezreal's effective range with blue buff (all auto attacks are now Qs instead) is more than double vayne's... and he has a teamwide steroid and a more effective escape... I really question your logic If a vayne loses to ez she is terrible.Only way a vayne can lose to ez if ez has a nunu supp because he is biggest vayne counter. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. My mechanics are so shit. ;_; (Plus it really feels like she does no damage at all, even with BotRK+LW+PD+Mercurial I felt like I barely tickled Udyr who didn't even go full tank, and I didn't burst Karthus or Morg either. Gimme Graves instead.) | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On May 21 2013 04:26 Alaric wrote: Aaaaaaaaaaaah. Played an ARAM, got Vayne, shrugged. Then Rammus+Udyr+Karthus in the opposing team. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. My mechanics are so shit. ;_; (Plus it really feels like she does no damage at all, even with BotRK+LW+PD+Mercurial I felt like I barely tickled Udyr who didn't even go full tank, and I didn't burst Karthus or Morg either. Gimme Graves instead.) Vayne feels like she doesn't do dmg.Graves does dmg.Is this real life?lol | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
There on HA I could only hit Rammus or Udyr (sometimes Karthus, he was pretty bad so he tried to rush me then sat there with noone in Defile for most of the fight) and with all the zoning produced from Defile and those 2 I couldn't maneuver around them to join the rest of the team. I'd probably have had the same problem with Graves but at least bursting Karthus without hitting Bear Stance/Puncturing Taunt/Dark Binding would be easier (until he gets Seraph) so I'd contribute. And he's tankier so I wouldn't die so fast once inevitably caught. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 21 2013 04:42 Jerubaal wrote: So what is the response to 2v1 at mid? I was Lissandra vs Lissandra and Nidalee and I kept yelling at someone, anyone, to put pressure on them, but nothing every happened. It didn't help that bot and top lost 4v2. Don't feed. And safely farm, and hope your team can win their lanes. Or lane swap. | ||
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
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