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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 04:58:50
June 10 2013 04:58 GMT
#6801
On June 10 2013 13:56 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 13:51 OutlaW- wrote:
On June 10 2013 13:49 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 10 2013 13:47 OutlaW- wrote:
On June 10 2013 13:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 10 2013 13:35 Ketara wrote:
Yeah I'd agree, LoL's design team seems to take quite a few pains to make sure that the game doesn't have any really strict hard counters.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jayce lost his bonus armor/mr in hammer form, since Nid and Elise both lost theirs.

Wrong move imo. They need to just take some of his strength in his ranged form and give it to his melee form. The difference between elise and nidalee was their melee form was deadly good all game long. Jayce's melee form falls off hard. Mostly used as utility for knockback or running away. Would love to see some hits on his ranged form and buffs on his melee form. Perhaps buff his defensive buff in melee form makes players more comfortable staying in melee form longer. Also changing what his melee w does.

I disagree. I think the strength of his ranged form is what makes him fun to play and watch, it's his core. If you simply buffed his melee (bruiser) form and nerfed his ranged form, he would be just another bruiser but with a ranged form for small harass. I don't like that. Let Jayce be Jayce, don't just gut his core gameplay aspect..

His core game mechanic is to have 6 awesome abilities. But players only really using 4 of them. And only 2 of them consistently in late game.

I think his core gameplay is farming ridiculous amounts of money and obliterating people with EQ, and when the situation allows it, go ham on their asses with melee form. You're basically saying that you would like him to become more "jack of all trades, master of none" instead of the fun and exciting niche that he is right now. I disagree. I would rather die than let that happen


That is currently his gameplay.

The question is if that is adjustable without ruining Jayce. For example, right now is is too late to change Karthus from his Q,R, and death mechanics. On the other hand, most people would probably accept A change to Zed's ultimate.

Additionally, no one has responded to my Eve critique.

I'm a fan of nerfing his melee form resists. His ranged form is the same as before, but his laning is much worse now and he really has to pick his situations before going melee form and utilizing all of his damage.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
June 10 2013 05:04 GMT
#6802
I really don't think his damage is in need of a nerf. If they make him a bit squishier (He already dies if he gets caught) I think he'll be fine.

He's a very strong pick now but not without counter picks. Anyone with good burst at 6 does well vs him (Fizz is a nightmare) and he can't spam EQ to farm without a blue (And let's be honest most mids can safely farm with a blue).

I really wish zed wasn't bugged at all stars, I really want to see if the pros woud have spammed him as much post nerfs.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 05:54:43
June 10 2013 05:07 GMT
#6803
are there any TLers that live in the LA area that might let me rent/borrow their car for a few days? i am an impeccable driver and would pay for all gas and could pay you a daily rental. need to do a few chores during week 1 regarding finalizing our housing situation. i could hook you up with some velocity gear and a shoutout or something in exchange too.

please PM me if you'd be at all interested or know someone who might be

edit: i can also see what i can do about getting you into the LCS studio as a guest if that might be of interest ^_^
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
June 10 2013 05:10 GMT
#6804
Never thought LoL GD would turn into the trading post.

In seriousness gtr how exactly are you funding the house? Do riot provide any $$ or do you have to rely on sponsors? If you can't tell it's fine but I am curious.
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
June 10 2013 05:15 GMT
#6805
getting in LCS means they get riot money, as I understand it. Plus, LCS = exposure = good chance of sponsorship $$$.
:3
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 10 2013 05:40 GMT
#6806
Why is LCS in LA? Chicago BABY
Freeeeeeedom
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
June 10 2013 05:44 GMT
#6807
On June 10 2013 14:40 cLutZ wrote:
Why is LCS in LA? Chicago BABY


Australia pls
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 06:03:11
June 10 2013 06:01 GMT
#6808
On June 10 2013 14:40 cLutZ wrote:
Why is LCS in LA? Chicago BABY

Because they don't want to die.

edit: I can see the headlines already "Professional gamers murdered in street for screaming 'Baylife' at gang."

On June 10 2013 15:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
Anyone else playing the new Animal Crossing?

Animal Crossing: Wild World baby!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 10 2013 06:01 GMT
#6809
Anyone else playing the new Animal Crossing?
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 10 2013 06:03 GMT
#6810
On June 10 2013 14:10 schmutttt wrote:
Never thought LoL GD would turn into the trading post.

In seriousness gtr how exactly are you funding the house? Do riot provide any $$ or do you have to rely on sponsors? If you can't tell it's fine but I am curious.


i'm not really sure how much i can divulge about riot's involvement
but sponsorship money will be helping pay for our house, yes
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
June 10 2013 06:03 GMT
#6811
On June 10 2013 15:03 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 14:10 schmutttt wrote:
Never thought LoL GD would turn into the trading post.

In seriousness gtr how exactly are you funding the house? Do riot provide any $$ or do you have to rely on sponsors? If you can't tell it's fine but I am curious.


i'm not really sure how much i can divulge about riot's involvement
but sponsorship money will be helping pay for our house, yes

I think we can all see through the newspeak, you're making your team hook aren't you?
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 10 2013 06:05 GMT
#6812
everyone wants a piece of dat maple ass
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Ares[Effort] *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
DEMACIA6550 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 06:11:05
June 10 2013 06:10 GMT
#6813
gtrsrs get Cris streaming again! Also when can we expect a house tour?
Moderatorgold coin
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 10 2013 06:12 GMT
#6814
i'll get cris streaming once we're moved into the house... and the house tour will come shortly after! we've just experienced some hiccups getting a house locked down hehe. hence my need for a car in LA to help speed things up while the team plays week 1 games :O
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 10 2013 06:14 GMT
#6815
On June 10 2013 15:01 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 14:40 cLutZ wrote:
Why is LCS in LA? Chicago BABY

Because they don't want to die.

edit: I can see the headlines already "Professional gamers murdered in street for screaming 'Baylife' at gang."

Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 15:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
Anyone else playing the new Animal Crossing?

Animal Crossing: Wild World baby!


Ive drunk walked throughout Chi Town. STILL HERE BABY
Freeeeeeedom
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 10 2013 06:59 GMT
#6816
On June 10 2013 13:58 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 13:56 cLutZ wrote:
On June 10 2013 13:51 OutlaW- wrote:
On June 10 2013 13:49 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 10 2013 13:47 OutlaW- wrote:
On June 10 2013 13:45 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 10 2013 13:35 Ketara wrote:
Yeah I'd agree, LoL's design team seems to take quite a few pains to make sure that the game doesn't have any really strict hard counters.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jayce lost his bonus armor/mr in hammer form, since Nid and Elise both lost theirs.

Wrong move imo. They need to just take some of his strength in his ranged form and give it to his melee form. The difference between elise and nidalee was their melee form was deadly good all game long. Jayce's melee form falls off hard. Mostly used as utility for knockback or running away. Would love to see some hits on his ranged form and buffs on his melee form. Perhaps buff his defensive buff in melee form makes players more comfortable staying in melee form longer. Also changing what his melee w does.

I disagree. I think the strength of his ranged form is what makes him fun to play and watch, it's his core. If you simply buffed his melee (bruiser) form and nerfed his ranged form, he would be just another bruiser but with a ranged form for small harass. I don't like that. Let Jayce be Jayce, don't just gut his core gameplay aspect..

His core game mechanic is to have 6 awesome abilities. But players only really using 4 of them. And only 2 of them consistently in late game.

I think his core gameplay is farming ridiculous amounts of money and obliterating people with EQ, and when the situation allows it, go ham on their asses with melee form. You're basically saying that you would like him to become more "jack of all trades, master of none" instead of the fun and exciting niche that he is right now. I disagree. I would rather die than let that happen


That is currently his gameplay.

The question is if that is adjustable without ruining Jayce. For example, right now is is too late to change Karthus from his Q,R, and death mechanics. On the other hand, most people would probably accept A change to Zed's ultimate.

Additionally, no one has responded to my Eve critique.

I'm a fan of nerfing his melee form resists. His ranged form is the same as before, but his laning is much worse now and he really has to pick his situations before going melee form and utilizing all of his damage.


But see thats not the problem with Jayce imo.

I think he just too safe for how strong he is late game and how well he can snowball if he gets a lead. Most champions in game either safe, or risky snowball.

I think its stupid that he loses zero lanes straight up, and even if he makes big huge mistakes he can just trololol EQ waveclear and get CS regardless.

For me it isn't a numbers thing, it is a he's good at everything thing. He safe, he snowball hard, he solid lategame. Need to make him less safe, and without changing his kit drastically I think best way to do that is to make his EQ do 50% damage to minions similar to Pantheon E which was changed for the same reason way back when despite it's range being like 1500 less.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
June 10 2013 07:05 GMT
#6817
On June 10 2013 14:04 schmutttt wrote:
he can't spam EQ to farm without a blue

He can.

Jayce only weakness it that he's pretty poor in an all-in 1v1 situation, but outside of this he's incredibly strong and clearly has a little bit too much.
I'd like Riot to change his ranged W so that Muramana deals just a part of its damage, just like his autos. Atm it's such a crazy one point wonder...
The legend of Darien lives on
LaM
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1321 Posts
June 10 2013 07:05 GMT
#6818
On June 10 2013 15:01 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 14:40 cLutZ wrote:
Why is LCS in LA? Chicago BABY

Because they don't want to die.

edit: I can see the headlines already "Professional gamers murdered in street for screaming 'Baylife' at gang."

Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 15:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
Anyone else playing the new Animal Crossing?

Animal Crossing: Wild World baby!


Did you ever listen to that "This American Life" special on Chicago skills... You aren't kidding! They wouldn't even need to scream Baylife, 5 nerds walking around in the same jersey would get shot at within 30 seconds..
Anything is Possible
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
June 10 2013 07:13 GMT
#6819
I just watched the latest episode of Vice where they did a segment on Chicago's south side gang violence. Apparently it's also known colloquially as Chiraq. Shit is crazy.
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
June 10 2013 07:16 GMT
#6820
Garen's spin also does half to minions. I bet with where the game is at right now, they'd take that off him and pantheon before they added it on jayce. Or kha.
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