EPThow come when people win with a certain hero...
they say their hero is OP.
instead, how come they don't say that they, the actual players themselves, are good?
where da pride at
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
how come when people win with a certain hero... they say their hero is OP. instead, how come they don't say that they, the actual players themselves, are good? where da pride at | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On June 10 2013 16:05 mr_tolkien wrote: He can. Jayce only weakness it that he's pretty poor in an all-in 1v1 situation, but outside of this he's incredibly strong and clearly has a little bit too much. I'd like Riot to change his ranged W so that Muramana deals just a part of its damage, just like his autos. Atm it's such a crazy one point wonder... Eh. Not really. E+Q->W->R->Q->W->auto->E does a ton of damage. The only hard part is hitting the ranged EQ combo, but it's definitely possible even at near melee range if you're good at placing your E. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On June 10 2013 16:16 SnK-Arcbound wrote: Garen's spin also does half to minions. I bet with where the game is at right now, they'd take that off him and pantheon before they added it on jayce. Or kha. Thats not the point though. I think its ridiculous that a Jayce can be full retard behind and farm/counterpush just fine while being in zero danger. He is as safe as Morgana but as snowbally as Pantheon. Dumb. On June 10 2013 16:25 Ryuu314 wrote: Eh. Not really. E+Q->W->R->Q->W->auto->E does a ton of damage. The only hard part is hitting the ranged EQ combo, but it's definitely possible even at near melee range if you're good at placing your E. Yeah, if you land an EQ combo you can change to hammer form and all in right there most of the time. Hell, your average Jayce sprints at Tear and will have like boots+Tear after first back and can still win trades without any stats. I dunno, in mean time I suppose I'll just keep abusing him for free wins. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35141 Posts
On June 10 2013 16:20 kainzero wrote: i just put two good games together with nami and something occurred to me... how come when people win with a certain hero... they say their hero is OP. instead, how come they don't say that they, the actual players themselves, are good? where da pride at Matchmaking is supposed to put you at around a 50% win rate. If your win rate is significantly higher with a champ as opposed to others without it being a main...it seems obvious. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On June 10 2013 16:25 Ryuu314 wrote: Eh. Not really. E+Q->W->R->Q->W->auto->E does a ton of damage. The only hard part is hitting the ranged EQ combo, but it's definitely possible even at near melee range if you're good at placing your E. Yeah but unless you got many items nearly any bruiser will dump on you in an all-in. Beside this, I don't really see any weakness in Jayce. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On June 10 2013 16:29 mr_tolkien wrote: Yeah but unless you got many items nearly any bruiser will dump on you in an all-in. Beside this, I don't really see any weakness in Jayce. Try buying double dorans on your first back instead of Tear of the Goddess. Be surprised when you just outdamage the hell out of that other bruiser with Double Dorans. -.- If you want to rush Tear, fine... but dont complain that you can't all in people when you built zero combat stats. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On June 10 2013 16:31 iCanada wrote: Try buying double dorans on your first back instead of Tear of the Goddess. Be surprised when you just outdamage the hell out of that other bruiser with Double Dorans. -.- If you want to rush Tear, fine... but dont complain that you can't all in people when you built zero combat stats. I haven't played as much Jayce as Riven/Panth/Voli/Zed, but I'm pretty sure he gets wrecked 1v1 even if both get double dorans. His damage has been toned down quite a lot with the E change ! | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On June 10 2013 16:36 mr_tolkien wrote: I haven't played as much Jayce as Riven/Panth/Voli/Zed, but I'm pretty sure he gets wrecked 1v1 even if both get double dorans. His damage has been toned down quite a lot with the E change ! I main Pantheon. Trust me, Jayce all in's just fine. In fact, after level 3 I'd say Jayce beats pantheon because he just has more shit to use. Skill based I suppose, but if both champions start 100% HP and Jayce lands all his shit Jayce wins a flat out all in. Besides, if you dont want to all in its not like you dont have at leasta 30% speed boost, 30% slow, a gap closer, and a huge knockback. I dont think a single champion in the game can dictate a lane the way Jayce can. You know, thats fine... but its not fine that he can do that and snowball, AND be good late game. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On June 10 2013 16:20 kainzero wrote: i just put two good games together with nami and something occurred to me... how come when people win with a certain hero... they say their hero is OP. instead, how come they don't say that they, the actual players themselves, are good? where da pride at In my experience, it's just someone wanting to brag about how well they did while trying to seem humble. :| #cynicism | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On June 10 2013 16:55 wussleeQ wrote: i wish there were a way to see all the skins that we have purchased. i have a feeling i have a bunch of skins that i don't know about lol. There's a website, I'm sure someone that knows it will post it in this thread. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On June 10 2013 13:32 wei2coolman wrote: There is no hard counter in LoL then. Unless you play nonviable champions. And at worse lane swap is a good strategy. Look at game 2 of eu vs na in all stars. They got out picked in lane, played lane swaps smartly, and negated a lot of tough lanes. There are a numbers of pretty shit lanes, though. Singed vs Teemo (or Jax vs Singed), Wukong vs Darius (and a lot of other stuff), Syndra vs most mobile stuff (Fizz, Yi, Ahri and especially Kassadin, but for those 2 it's only the case if you don't take a dump on them pre-6 so it's "your fault"). A bunch of low-damage/utility mids against Diana because they know they won't punish her hard enough before she gets 6 and wrecks them. Everything low range and without the ability to gap close->100-0 against the bullshit that is Anivia. And Jayce has enough base damage to win most level 2 all-ins (except, as said, versus maybe stuff like Panth that can wear him down hard). Just because he's got such huge scaling (both farm- and level-) doesn't mean he shouldn't have base damage amongst the best in the g- oh wait. On June 10 2013 15:12 gtrsrs wrote: i'll get cris streaming once we're moved into the house... and the house tour will come shortly after! we've just experienced some hiccups getting a house locked down hehe. hence my need for a car in LA to help speed things up while the team plays week 1 games :O Btw, how do you feel about the superweek? Apparently there's a bunch of things to settle for you and your team, so I guess the practice time they've got isn't optimal, and you're directly starting with a big schedule that could give you a great start or with a big deficit. How do you feel with regards to practice, if it's not too much to/if I may ask? On June 10 2013 16:20 kainzero wrote: i just put two good games together with nami and something occurred to me... how come when people win with a certain hero... they say their hero is OP. instead, how come they don't say that they, the actual players themselves, are good? where da pride at I'm starting to get inclined to call most Viktor players bad. yes, you, scrubby Gold player rushing a goddamn chalice instead of butchering your opponent pre-6 (and even after)! Plus he's Gold and I'm Silver so I'm scrubby somewhere else anyway. | ||
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Sicariidae
50 Posts
Riot have said repeatedly that they want more interaction between players in lane, what better way than preventing people from farming a creepwave in 5 seconds and then backing off and waiting for 25 until the next wave. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On June 10 2013 11:12 Ketara wrote: I really really don't like melee mids in general, I dislike playing them. S'why I suggested ranged mids. Try Gragas sometime. You might be surprised. Not that he's particularly good at alling people, just a general statement. | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
Like I have nearly 50 games on him, haven't ran into any Cassio/Xerath/Syndra mains (Yet...) but it is just dumb how he gets 4 items and he's a god. | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 10 2013 17:59 Alaric wrote: Btw, how do you feel about the superweek? Apparently there's a bunch of things to settle for you and your team, so I guess the practice time they've got isn't optimal, and you're directly starting with a big schedule that could give you a great start or with a big deficit. How do you feel with regards to practice, if it's not too much to/if I may ask? starting 0-5 would really suck, so we don't want to do that that being said, all 4 of the "bot 4" teams last split had terrible starts last season and 2 of them ended up responding appropriately and ended the season strong. once we get things ironed out i expect rapid, massive improvement from my team. as you guys saw at the LCS relegation, i'm not the kind of person that lets their team focus on losses or mope. if nothing else we'll be the most confident 0-28 team ever 8) i feel a 2-3 start from us though. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35141 Posts
On June 10 2013 18:21 Amarok wrote: The SKT teams need better identifying nicknames. Reapered and Faker are nice colloquialy but #1 and #2 is just not interesting enough. KT have a similar problem but at least the last digit of their sponsor isnt a number. SKT already announced that they will be looking into different names. I'm amused by Monte and DOA calling them Terminator and Judgement Day. | ||
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