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On June 10 2013 23:17 zer0das wrote:
I usually beat Ryze with Cass, but the tipping point comes entirely soon for Ryze. You have to completely and utterly body slam him to keep him irrelevant, and against good opponents, it rarely happens.
or you can pick karthus, afk farm together with ryze and come out ahead anyways.
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On June 10 2013 23:22 Artok wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 23:17 zer0das wrote:
I usually beat Ryze with Cass, but the tipping point comes entirely soon for Ryze. You have to completely and utterly body slam him to keep him irrelevant, and against good opponents, it rarely happens. or you can pick karthus, afk farm together with ryze and come out ahead anyways.
Karthus late game isn't as strong as Ryze', IMO. People tend to overrate it quite a bit.
Also, if Ryze manages to W you (which isn't really that hard), you will take significant damage or die. Your pushing power early isn't strong enough to make Ryze miss too many last hits under tower, either.
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On June 10 2013 23:27 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 23:22 Artok wrote:On June 10 2013 23:17 zer0das wrote:
I usually beat Ryze with Cass, but the tipping point comes entirely soon for Ryze. You have to completely and utterly body slam him to keep him irrelevant, and against good opponents, it rarely happens. or you can pick karthus, afk farm together with ryze and come out ahead anyways. Karthus late game isn't as strong as Ryze', IMO. People tend to overrate it quite a bit. Also, if Ryze manages to W you (which isn't really that hard), you will take significant damage or die. Your pushing power early isn't strong enough to make Ryze miss too many last hits under tower, either.
Karthus is also more prone to get camped in that match-up.
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On June 10 2013 23:17 zer0das wrote:
I usually beat Ryze with Cass, but the tipping point comes entirely soon for Ryze. You have to completely and utterly body slam him to keep him irrelevant, and against good opponents, it rarely happens.
Yeah that's what I'm saying - you "counter" him as Cassio but only for a few levels, which lets you build a small cs lead since most Ryze's can open with Sapph+2pots or faerie and pots and cs just fine under the tower. You realistically will never get a lead like 60 cs to 35 cs against anyone of equal skill level, and after Ryze hits 6 the lane is basically over for you.
The biggest change like you said is that you no longer have to open boots+3, and for Ryze that means enough regen and mana pots to cs well early game and negate the only glaring weakness in his game.
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I don't get it. The Vi nerfs weren't anything too strong, if anything they only reduce her early dps, and I find myself unable to do well with her now. Oftimes it's because I feel pretty reliant on my team (as in I can't get kills/flashes/etc. by myself during the ganks, and if my allies don't play them correctly I just waste time and precious exp) and more often than not I just snowball pretty negatively if I ever fall behind.
Considering I was having pretty huge success shortly after her release, and I wasn't even playing the FotM builds or stuff, I don't understand. What's going wrong? Is it the new champs? People aren't even better at playing against her. @_@
Maybe it's because now that people are back to expecting the jungler to be the bitch and rush the bulwark I just can't pick her anymore vs AoE/double AP teams because she tends to suck a whole lot with an early bulwark.
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Alright ladies and gents, I know this has been asked about 100 times before, but it's been a long time since I've played this game seriously and I want to try to get back into the mindset at the very least, even if I can't really play ranked often for another 2 months or so. I bought RP to get Zed on sale and now I'm doing it again to get Nami just because I don't play enough to earn IP for champs very often at the moment, so I only have about 5-6 champs left that I have no desire to buy.
I'm thinking of buying some new runes. (After I buy Varus I think. And maybe if I like Aatrox.)
This is what I own:
Marks
ArPen
AD
MPen
Attack speed
Armor
MR
Seals
armor
HP/lvl
mp5/lvl
Glyphs
AP/lvl
AP/Armr
CDR
CDR/lvl
MR
MR/lvl
Mp5/lvl
Quints
AP
AD
GP5
Attack speed
Movespeed
HP
MR
Mpen
Arpen
What other runes should I be looking for and why? I guess assume that I play all roles evenly atm.
I've heard tales of lifesteal quints and hybrid pen marks. Would those benefit me a great deal? Are there any other commonly useful runes that I'm missing? (1 crit chance mark lol?)
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I like hybrid pen and use it on a lot of auto-attacking mages (Diana/Akali/Ori). Other than that it looks like you have a good selection, maybe throw a crit rune in your AD page for the lols?
Oops and yeah, definitely lifesteal quints if you play AD.
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Hybrid Pen are used very effectively on just about any AP that auto attacks (Diana, Orianna, Fizz to name a few, and even guys like Ryze to help with cs). It's definitely a good buy.
Lifesteal quints are used in a lot of AD pages, but generally less priority than the hybrid pen.
I think you own every other useful rune. Some people may use armor quints but that's so rare.
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For those of you that play ranked 5v5, are you content with the way that the pick order is determined in champ select (highest to lowest MMR, with the exception of the party leader always being first pick)?
It's kind of disadvantageous to our team, because our jungler and support are the lowest MMR as well as have the smallest champ pools, limiting the amount of swaps we can do and almost guaranteeing that both of our solo lanes will be counterpicked :/
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The only reason I don't mind is because there's no easy way to make it "better". If you play together you should focus on owning at least a few champs that you frequently like to play so you can trade.
Ideally yes you pick the order that will go in to champ select but I imagine that's a lot of coding.
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you will never be able to guarantee lanes not being counter picked (you at best get to last pick a lane, or get 2 picks and they already picked 1 lane) so bite the bullet and practice playing vs counter lanes since you will have to at some point anyway
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On June 11 2013 01:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright ladies and gents, I know this has been asked about 100 times before, but it's been a long time since I've played this game seriously and I want to try to get back into the mindset at the very least, even if I can't really play ranked often for another 2 months or so. I bought RP to get Zed on sale and now I'm doing it again to get Nami just because I don't play enough to earn IP for champs very often at the moment, so I only have about 5-6 champs left that I have no desire to buy.
I'm thinking of buying some new runes. (After I buy Varus I think. And maybe if I like Aatrox.)
This is what I own:
Marks
ArPen
AD
MPen
Attack speed
Armor
MR
Seals
armor
HP/lvl
mp5/lvl
Glyphs
AP/lvl
AP/Armr
CDR
CDR/lvl
MR
MR/lvl
Mp5/lvl
Quints
AP
AD
GP5
Attack speed
Movespeed
HP
MR
Mpen
Arpen
What other runes should I be looking for and why? I guess assume that I play all roles evenly atm.
I've heard tales of lifesteal quints and hybrid pen marks. Would those benefit me a great deal? Are there any other commonly useful runes that I'm missing? (1 crit chance mark lol?)
Yeah, as other people said, mostly hybrid marks and lifesteal quints are the ones you're missing.
Hybrid marks are good for autoattacking mids, and have the added benefit that it were the only source of flat penetration that didn't get nerfed in the whole S3 penetration rework
Lifesteal quints are used by some AD carries, it lets them start doran's blade and still have the sustain needed to stay in lane (lifesteal quints + 19/0/11 masteries give you 9% lifesteal, plus the 5 health on hit from doran's).
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A big bonus for lifesteal quints is that ADs that like to get IE first (Cait and some Graves/Trist/Varus, for example) can do so without having to waste 800 on a vamp scepter first.
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On June 11 2013 01:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright ladies and gents, I know this has been asked about 100 times before, but it's been a long time since I've played this game seriously and I want to try to get back into the mindset at the very least, even if I can't really play ranked often for another 2 months or so. I bought RP to get Zed on sale and now I'm doing it again to get Nami just because I don't play enough to earn IP for champs very often at the moment, so I only have about 5-6 champs left that I have no desire to buy.
I'm thinking of buying some new runes. (After I buy Varus I think. And maybe if I like Aatrox.)
This is what I own:
Marks
ArPen
AD
MPen
Attack speed
Armor
MR
Seals
armor
HP/lvl
mp5/lvl
Glyphs
AP/lvl
AP/Armr
CDR
CDR/lvl
MR
MR/lvl
Mp5/lvl
Quints
AP
AD
GP5
Attack speed
Movespeed
HP
MR
Mpen
Arpen
What other runes should I be looking for and why? I guess assume that I play all roles evenly atm.
I've heard tales of lifesteal quints and hybrid pen marks. Would those benefit me a great deal? Are there any other commonly useful runes that I'm missing? (1 crit chance mark lol?)
Those runes look fine, except for those AP/Armr runes, those suck.
Your biggest issue is that you don't play games. I would say every time you want to theorycraft or make a giant TL post about runes, go play a game instead.
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Hybrid pen is stupid expensive...
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Wait I didn't realize this but...Hai and Balls switched roles?? Why? I thought Hai's mid-lane dominance was a big part of the team's success.
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On June 11 2013 02:30 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 01:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright ladies and gents, I know this has been asked about 100 times before, but it's been a long time since I've played this game seriously and I want to try to get back into the mindset at the very least, even if I can't really play ranked often for another 2 months or so. I bought RP to get Zed on sale and now I'm doing it again to get Nami just because I don't play enough to earn IP for champs very often at the moment, so I only have about 5-6 champs left that I have no desire to buy.
I'm thinking of buying some new runes. (After I buy Varus I think. And maybe if I like Aatrox.)
This is what I own:
Marks
ArPen
AD
MPen
Attack speed
Armor
MR
Seals
armor
HP/lvl
mp5/lvl
Glyphs
AP/lvl
AP/Armr
CDR
CDR/lvl
MR
MR/lvl
Mp5/lvl
Quints
AP
AD
GP5
Attack speed
Movespeed
HP
MR
Mpen
Arpen
What other runes should I be looking for and why? I guess assume that I play all roles evenly atm.
I've heard tales of lifesteal quints and hybrid pen marks. Would those benefit me a great deal? Are there any other commonly useful runes that I'm missing? (1 crit chance mark lol?)
Those runes look fine, except for those AP/Armr runes, those suck. Your biggest issue is that you don't play games. I would say every time you want to theorycraft or make a giant TL post about runes, go play a game instead.
ughhhhhhh
Can't play properly for another couple monthsssssssssss
Also the AP and armor were supposed to be separate, smartass.
You'd better get to plat by September so you can carry me when I can finally play.
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I have to be plat to carry you out of Silver 3? 
My goal is to get to Plat by August, anyways.
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On June 11 2013 02:47 Ketara wrote:I have to be plat to carry you out of Silver 3? My goal is to get to Plat by August, anyways.
Bookmarked. Will requote in august.
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On June 11 2013 02:30 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 01:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright ladies and gents, I know this has been asked about 100 times before, but it's been a long time since I've played this game seriously and I want to try to get back into the mindset at the very least, even if I can't really play ranked often for another 2 months or so. I bought RP to get Zed on sale and now I'm doing it again to get Nami just because I don't play enough to earn IP for champs very often at the moment, so I only have about 5-6 champs left that I have no desire to buy.
I'm thinking of buying some new runes. (After I buy Varus I think. And maybe if I like Aatrox.)
This is what I own:
Marks
ArPen
AD
MPen
Attack speed
Armor
MR
Seals
armor
HP/lvl
mp5/lvl
Glyphs
AP/lvl
AP/Armr
CDR
CDR/lvl
MR
MR/lvl
Mp5/lvl
Quints
AP
AD
GP5
Attack speed
Movespeed
HP
MR
Mpen
Arpen
What other runes should I be looking for and why? I guess assume that I play all roles evenly atm.
I've heard tales of lifesteal quints and hybrid pen marks. Would those benefit me a great deal? Are there any other commonly useful runes that I'm missing? (1 crit chance mark lol?)
Those runes look fine, except for those AP/Armr runes, those suck. Your biggest issue is that you don't play games. I would say every time you want to theorycraft or make a giant TL post about runes, go play a game instead.
Hey, AP/Armor runes are good. It's like a reverse Xerath/ Galio passive. :p
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