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United States23745 Posts
On May 30 2013 08:22 Frolossus wrote:
would like tryndamere be a better pick for this?
This was pretty much all AP Trynd did except he just took the tower first lol.
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On May 30 2013 08:02 affinity wrote:Have any of you seen this super deep singed proxy farming? http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3495251The singed just starts proxy farming between inner and inhib turrets at level 1 and is pretty much super relentless with trying to pull the enemy up to stop him. Then, he just suicides into the turret. I've seen a guy proxy farm at level 1, but not to this level. I thought it's brilliant and incredibly hilarious, and I have no idea how to stop it. Post on the forums: Show nested quote +Seriously, this ruins PvP interaction in the laning phase as you're forced to either A) ignore the player doing this and just farm or B) try to stop him. Option A is something Riot has openly admitted they HATE (players ignoring each other in lane) and Option B is simply not viable due to how much you fall behind if you miss an entire wave of experience/CS. Singed is the most blatant offender of this. There's currently a player who got to Diamond I by abusing this mechanic to the fullest extent possible. He begins by farming in between the enemy team's turrets at level 1, forcing the jungler to constantly gank him. Eventually he becomes worth as little gold as a blue wraith, making the difficult to kill Singed not worth killing as he continues pushing to the nexus. Before anyone claims that this strategy is stupid and ineffective, check out the LolKing of the player I'm talking about: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21239848#ranked-statsAs of right now, he is the highest win rate Singed in Diamond with a monstrous 70.7% win rate over 140 games played. Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that he wins far more games than he loses with this strategy (even when he goes 1-12 he wins). The amount of pressure he exerts from doing this is just too much and requires the enemy team to commit far too many resources to prevent him from winning the game for his team. VIDEO of this strategy being used against one of the best top laners in the world TSM Dyrus: http://www.twitch.tv/tsm_dyrus/b/409026360?t=6h7m30sAnother entertaining video, this time he farms all lanes from inside the enemy base (AT LEVEL 6): http://www.twitch.tv/robertxlee/b/409688891?t=1h30m30sReddit AMA and mini-guide by the creator of this strategy Druiddroid: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1epw32/iama_proxy_at_level_1_singed_that_just_reached/
This kind of game breaking stuff is what I live for ^_^
Slight exaggeration but I love this.
Wait...1.2 KDA and 8.4 deaths per game? nvm I was wrong. He is bad.
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this has literally always been the right way to play singed.................
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United States23745 Posts
On May 30 2013 08:40 Mogwai wrote:
this has literally always been the right way to play singed.................
Riot has spoken, it's a feature, never to be fixed.
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On May 30 2013 08:36 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 08:02 affinity wrote:Have any of you seen this super deep singed proxy farming? http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3495251The singed just starts proxy farming between inner and inhib turrets at level 1 and is pretty much super relentless with trying to pull the enemy up to stop him. Then, he just suicides into the turret. I've seen a guy proxy farm at level 1, but not to this level. I thought it's brilliant and incredibly hilarious, and I have no idea how to stop it. Post on the forums: Seriously, this ruins PvP interaction in the laning phase as you're forced to either A) ignore the player doing this and just farm or B) try to stop him. Option A is something Riot has openly admitted they HATE (players ignoring each other in lane) and Option B is simply not viable due to how much you fall behind if you miss an entire wave of experience/CS. Singed is the most blatant offender of this. There's currently a player who got to Diamond I by abusing this mechanic to the fullest extent possible. He begins by farming in between the enemy team's turrets at level 1, forcing the jungler to constantly gank him. Eventually he becomes worth as little gold as a blue wraith, making the difficult to kill Singed not worth killing as he continues pushing to the nexus. Before anyone claims that this strategy is stupid and ineffective, check out the LolKing of the player I'm talking about: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21239848#ranked-statsAs of right now, he is the highest win rate Singed in Diamond with a monstrous 70.7% win rate over 140 games played. Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that he wins far more games than he loses with this strategy (even when he goes 1-12 he wins). The amount of pressure he exerts from doing this is just too much and requires the enemy team to commit far too many resources to prevent him from winning the game for his team. VIDEO of this strategy being used against one of the best top laners in the world TSM Dyrus: http://www.twitch.tv/tsm_dyrus/b/409026360?t=6h7m30sAnother entertaining video, this time he farms all lanes from inside the enemy base (AT LEVEL 6): http://www.twitch.tv/robertxlee/b/409688891?t=1h30m30sReddit AMA and mini-guide by the creator of this strategy Druiddroid: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1epw32/iama_proxy_at_level_1_singed_that_just_reached/ This kind of game breaking stuff is what I live for ^_^ Slight exaggeration but I love this. Wait...1.2 KDA and 8.4 deaths per game? nvm I was wrong. He is bad.
Well, his high number of deaths per game is due to the fact that he just suicides to second tower at the first hint of an incoming gank.
Best way to counter is to counterward so you can actually gank him before he suicides. And/or pick a champ that scales harder with free farm. Or you pick something strong early and if he tries it early enough you can just kill him since he'll be tanking your entire creep wave. Annoying but not broken imo.
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On May 30 2013 08:36 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 08:02 affinity wrote:Have any of you seen this super deep singed proxy farming? http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3495251The singed just starts proxy farming between inner and inhib turrets at level 1 and is pretty much super relentless with trying to pull the enemy up to stop him. Then, he just suicides into the turret. I've seen a guy proxy farm at level 1, but not to this level. I thought it's brilliant and incredibly hilarious, and I have no idea how to stop it. Post on the forums: Seriously, this ruins PvP interaction in the laning phase as you're forced to either A) ignore the player doing this and just farm or B) try to stop him. Option A is something Riot has openly admitted they HATE (players ignoring each other in lane) and Option B is simply not viable due to how much you fall behind if you miss an entire wave of experience/CS. Singed is the most blatant offender of this. There's currently a player who got to Diamond I by abusing this mechanic to the fullest extent possible. He begins by farming in between the enemy team's turrets at level 1, forcing the jungler to constantly gank him. Eventually he becomes worth as little gold as a blue wraith, making the difficult to kill Singed not worth killing as he continues pushing to the nexus. Before anyone claims that this strategy is stupid and ineffective, check out the LolKing of the player I'm talking about: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21239848#ranked-statsAs of right now, he is the highest win rate Singed in Diamond with a monstrous 70.7% win rate over 140 games played. Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that he wins far more games than he loses with this strategy (even when he goes 1-12 he wins). The amount of pressure he exerts from doing this is just too much and requires the enemy team to commit far too many resources to prevent him from winning the game for his team. VIDEO of this strategy being used against one of the best top laners in the world TSM Dyrus: http://www.twitch.tv/tsm_dyrus/b/409026360?t=6h7m30sAnother entertaining video, this time he farms all lanes from inside the enemy base (AT LEVEL 6): http://www.twitch.tv/robertxlee/b/409688891?t=1h30m30sReddit AMA and mini-guide by the creator of this strategy Druiddroid: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1epw32/iama_proxy_at_level_1_singed_that_just_reached/ This kind of game breaking stuff is what I live for ^_^ Slight exaggeration but I love this. Wait...1.2 KDA and 8.4 deaths per game? nvm I was wrong. He is bad.
hahaha he's diamond 1 with a 71% win-ratio with his best champ
he's not only not bad, he's insanely good
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I think this is actually a legitimate tactic on somebody with strong level 1 wave clear(not many of them) because the other laner cannot easily get behind your tower to kill a wave early and base.
You could start something like a doran's blade, kill the first wave, execute to tower, and come to lane with doran's, ward and multiple pots for the second wave, while the other laner has no option to trade with you, and they most likely lost at least one creep and some HP while trying to CS under turret.
Or for maximum rage induced for both teams, farm bottom wave, execute, then TP top to get two waves of farm down by 2:30 (don't do this)
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On May 30 2013 08:43 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 08:36 obesechicken13 wrote:On May 30 2013 08:02 affinity wrote:Have any of you seen this super deep singed proxy farming? http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3495251The singed just starts proxy farming between inner and inhib turrets at level 1 and is pretty much super relentless with trying to pull the enemy up to stop him. Then, he just suicides into the turret. I've seen a guy proxy farm at level 1, but not to this level. I thought it's brilliant and incredibly hilarious, and I have no idea how to stop it. Post on the forums: Seriously, this ruins PvP interaction in the laning phase as you're forced to either A) ignore the player doing this and just farm or B) try to stop him. Option A is something Riot has openly admitted they HATE (players ignoring each other in lane) and Option B is simply not viable due to how much you fall behind if you miss an entire wave of experience/CS. Singed is the most blatant offender of this. There's currently a player who got to Diamond I by abusing this mechanic to the fullest extent possible. He begins by farming in between the enemy team's turrets at level 1, forcing the jungler to constantly gank him. Eventually he becomes worth as little gold as a blue wraith, making the difficult to kill Singed not worth killing as he continues pushing to the nexus. Before anyone claims that this strategy is stupid and ineffective, check out the LolKing of the player I'm talking about: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21239848#ranked-statsAs of right now, he is the highest win rate Singed in Diamond with a monstrous 70.7% win rate over 140 games played. Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that he wins far more games than he loses with this strategy (even when he goes 1-12 he wins). The amount of pressure he exerts from doing this is just too much and requires the enemy team to commit far too many resources to prevent him from winning the game for his team. VIDEO of this strategy being used against one of the best top laners in the world TSM Dyrus: http://www.twitch.tv/tsm_dyrus/b/409026360?t=6h7m30sAnother entertaining video, this time he farms all lanes from inside the enemy base (AT LEVEL 6): http://www.twitch.tv/robertxlee/b/409688891?t=1h30m30sReddit AMA and mini-guide by the creator of this strategy Druiddroid: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1epw32/iama_proxy_at_level_1_singed_that_just_reached/ This kind of game breaking stuff is what I live for ^_^ Slight exaggeration but I love this. Wait...1.2 KDA and 8.4 deaths per game? nvm I was wrong. He is bad. hahaha he's diamond 1 with a 71% win-ratio with his best champ he's not only not bad, he's insanely good
The guy obviously has this perfected very well, but the forum qq post is just hilarious. It's strong, but probably not OP in any sense. It just takes some coordination to deal with, which is hard to find in solo q at all levels.
Not to mention that this guy has 70% winrate with Singed probably also because he's just damn good with singed. Not necessarily 'cause farming behind towers is OP.
On May 30 2013 08:48 Amui wrote:
I think this is actually a legitimate tactic on somebody with strong level 1 wave clear(not many of them) because the other laner cannot easily get behind your tower to kill a wave early and base.
You could start something like a doran's blade, kill the first wave, execute to tower, and come to lane with doran's, ward and multiple pots for the second wave, while the other laner has no option to trade with you, and they most likely lost at least one creep and some HP while trying to CS under turret.
Or for maximum rage induced for both teams, farm bottom wave, execute, then TP top to get two waves(don't do this)
i wanna try this...
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That's pretty hilarious (oh god please never happen in one of my games).
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Well, Dyrus seemed to deal with it fine. Made an admitted lvl 1 mistake by not taking taunt which would have been a kill, and the only reason it continued to work was because Shaco outplayed Nunu in the early game.
The only problem that needs fixing is the stupid choice Riot made a few months ago ~ S3 start to drastically increase the rate at which people become worth less gold while on deathstreaks. That change was boring from the start.
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the only new thing to this "proxy farming" (creep skipping) thing is that those ppl just do it way earlyer than normal (it is allready common to do it after lvl 6). its a pretty old story in dota though. it only works as a cheesy surprise as well if the jungler immediatly shuts it down then it ends up being a 4on5 pretty damn fast. you also dont have to permagank somebody who does that. you can simply wait a couple waves and then kill him at the right moment, rinse and repeat. there are alot of top laners who really dont care if the have to tank the creepwave and tend to do well vs singed anyways.
its kind of similar as getting teleport on your top laner, stealing a buff in the jungler, bluepilling and teleporting to lane. if someone gets away with it then its the most annoying thing ever. or shooting something to the first enemy buff when the jungler calls "smiteless" (which omg is so stupid because most junglers don't even make use of it and just clear jungle anyways). then you can also camp brush botlane instead of doing golems and get an advantage like that early on.
theres tons of annoying openings like that. and "fixing" such things only tends to limit the options which makes the game more dull.
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Does anyone else think All Star for League was bigger than G-1 was for Dota 2? or am I being biased and ignorant?
(I bring it up because Live on 3 is almost entirely dedicated to G-1, and not showing much love for All Star Shanghai.)
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On May 30 2013 08:58 caelym wrote:
Does anyone else think All Star for League was bigger than G-1 was for Dota 2? or am I being biased and ignorant?
(I bring it up because Live on 3 is almost entirely dedicated to G-1, and not showing much love for All Star Shanghai.)
In terms of stream viewers from China only, I believe the All Stars event was much more popular than G1 League.
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So basically this singed tactic relies on feeding super hard early on and hoping to shit that the enemy team doesn't take advantage of their 2000 gold + ton of experience lead on their jungler?
Seems pretty bad to me .... Don't see how anyone could possibly lose to it.
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United States23745 Posts
On May 30 2013 08:58 caelym wrote:
Does anyone else think All Star for League was bigger than G-1 was for Dota 2? or am I being biased and ignorant?
(I bring it up because Live on 3 is almost entirely dedicated to G-1, and not showing much love for All Star Shanghai.)
All-Stars was a bigger specticle, but G-1 was probably more important for Dota as an eSport. LO3 has always been biased against LoL anyway, better since Scoots is gone but it's clear they sill prefer Dota and SC.
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Finland8662 Posts
Saw druiddroid do this on Voyboy's stream today and I believe he won that game. Yea, he was worth less than a caster minion, but he was farming mid and top lane inside the enemy base and at one point it stopped Voyboy's team from pushing mid inhib turret after they won a teamfight, because they had no minions coming for over a minute and they weren't beefy enough to facetank the turret yet.
He simply farmed and made sure he didn't pick up any kills/assists to make him worth anything, while building extremely tanky, so killing him required like 3 people using all they got. Seemed silly, yet super effective ^_^
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Fighting for extra worlds spot and worlds seeding is pretty important in terms of eSports...
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On May 30 2013 08:40 Mogwai wrote:
this has literally always been the right way to play singed.................
And Top nunu is supposed to be played with extra mana for sustain.
Riot doesn't follow their "right ways" to play a champion. Not that I've ever seen a singed play like the one against Dyrus. If they did then Singed wouldn't have lost his tenacity and Nunu much of his sustain.
On May 30 2013 08:43 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 08:36 obesechicken13 wrote:On May 30 2013 08:02 affinity wrote:Have any of you seen this super deep singed proxy farming? http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3495251The singed just starts proxy farming between inner and inhib turrets at level 1 and is pretty much super relentless with trying to pull the enemy up to stop him. Then, he just suicides into the turret. I've seen a guy proxy farm at level 1, but not to this level. I thought it's brilliant and incredibly hilarious, and I have no idea how to stop it. Post on the forums: Seriously, this ruins PvP interaction in the laning phase as you're forced to either A) ignore the player doing this and just farm or B) try to stop him. Option A is something Riot has openly admitted they HATE (players ignoring each other in lane) and Option B is simply not viable due to how much you fall behind if you miss an entire wave of experience/CS. Singed is the most blatant offender of this. There's currently a player who got to Diamond I by abusing this mechanic to the fullest extent possible. He begins by farming in between the enemy team's turrets at level 1, forcing the jungler to constantly gank him. Eventually he becomes worth as little gold as a blue wraith, making the difficult to kill Singed not worth killing as he continues pushing to the nexus. Before anyone claims that this strategy is stupid and ineffective, check out the LolKing of the player I'm talking about: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21239848#ranked-statsAs of right now, he is the highest win rate Singed in Diamond with a monstrous 70.7% win rate over 140 games played. Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that he wins far more games than he loses with this strategy (even when he goes 1-12 he wins). The amount of pressure he exerts from doing this is just too much and requires the enemy team to commit far too many resources to prevent him from winning the game for his team. VIDEO of this strategy being used against one of the best top laners in the world TSM Dyrus: http://www.twitch.tv/tsm_dyrus/b/409026360?t=6h7m30sAnother entertaining video, this time he farms all lanes from inside the enemy base (AT LEVEL 6): http://www.twitch.tv/robertxlee/b/409688891?t=1h30m30sReddit AMA and mini-guide by the creator of this strategy Druiddroid: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1epw32/iama_proxy_at_level_1_singed_that_just_reached/ This kind of game breaking stuff is what I live for ^_^ Slight exaggeration but I love this. Wait...1.2 KDA and 8.4 deaths per game? nvm I was wrong. He is bad. hahaha he's diamond 1 with a 71% win-ratio with his best champ he's not only not bad, he's insanely good
It was a sneak jab about the discussion a few back where people were trying to determine how good an ally was by win rates or KDA.
Also I love Dyrus' stream. I found this gem of a song: + Show Spoiler +
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On May 30 2013 09:01 ArchAngelSC wrote:
So basically this singed tactic relies on feeding super hard early on and hoping to shit that the enemy team doesn't take advantage of their 2000 gold + ton of experience lead on their jungler?
Seems pretty bad to me .... Don't see how anyone could possibly lose to it.
Because most people kneejerk reaction is to try and stop Singed form doing it. Who cares if their jungler is fed if he's going after singed for next to nothing bounty while Singed is freefarming.
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United States23745 Posts
On May 30 2013 09:05 caelym wrote:
Fighting for extra worlds spot and worlds seeding is pretty important in terms of eSports...
Sure, there was a lot on the line in terms of stakes, but having a big tournament with actual teams is a lot different than having the All-star game with the mash-ups of players. I wouldn't read too much into it though, it's also product of LO3's biases.
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