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On May 30 2013 09:01 ArchAngelSC wrote:
So basically this singed tactic relies on feeding super hard early on and hoping to shit that the enemy team doesn't take advantage of their 2000 gold + ton of experience lead on their jungler?
Seems pretty bad to me .... Don't see how anyone could possibly lose to it.
Yep. It's really, really dumb.
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On May 30 2013 09:02 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 08:58 caelym wrote:
Does anyone else think All Star for League was bigger than G-1 was for Dota 2? or am I being biased and ignorant?
(I bring it up because Live on 3 is almost entirely dedicated to G-1, and not showing much love for All Star Shanghai.) All-Stars was a bigger specticle, but G-1 was probably more important for Dota as an eSport. LO3 has always been biased against LoL anyway, better since Scoots is gone but it's clear they sill prefer Dota and SC.
All Stars was bigger. LoL is a bigger eSport. Lo3 doesn't cover it because the people on the show don't care that much about the league scene. They don't cover fighting games either.
I don't think there's anything wrong with Lo3 focusing on DotA2 and SC2 while ignoring League. It does kind of suck that League's shows are all kind of bad because people who have been in the scene for years aren't as interested in League so we have to rely on Travis who doesn't have the contacts that Slasher or djWheat have (nor the experience). Hopefully in a few years Travis can step his game up and get pros back on his show and increase the production values of the shows he does or maybe someone like djWheat who's been in the scene for so long will step into LoL.
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Also, I know that Travis has tried to get League players on his show again but complained that it was harder to organize them since they're all so busy now a days but it still sucks that he almost never gets to do a show with pro player commentary anymore.
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On May 30 2013 09:14 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 09:02 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 30 2013 08:58 caelym wrote:
Does anyone else think All Star for League was bigger than G-1 was for Dota 2? or am I being biased and ignorant?
(I bring it up because Live on 3 is almost entirely dedicated to G-1, and not showing much love for All Star Shanghai.) All-Stars was a bigger specticle, but G-1 was probably more important for Dota as an eSport. LO3 has always been biased against LoL anyway, better since Scoots is gone but it's clear they sill prefer Dota and SC. All Stars was bigger. LoL is a bigger eSport. Lo3 doesn't cover it because the people on the show don't care that much about the league scene. They don't cover fighting games either. I don't think there's anything wrong with Lo3 focusing on DotA2 and SC2 while ignoring League. It does kind of suck that League's shows are all kind of bad because people who have been in the scene for years aren't as interested in League so we have to rely on Travis who doesn't have the contacts that Slasher or djWheat have (nor the experience). Hopefully in a few years Travis can step his game up and get pros back on his show and increase the production values of the shows he does or maybe someone like djWheat who's been in the scene for so long will step into LoL. edit: Also, I know that Travis has tried to get League players on his show again but complained that it was harder to organize them since they're all so busy now a days but it still sucks that he almost never gets to do a show with pro player commentary anymore.
The All-Stars SotL was pretty cool.
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On May 30 2013 09:11 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 09:01 ArchAngelSC wrote:
So basically this singed tactic relies on feeding super hard early on and hoping to shit that the enemy team doesn't take advantage of their 2000 gold + ton of experience lead on their jungler?
Seems pretty bad to me .... Don't see how anyone could possibly lose to it. Yep. It's really, really dumb.
If somebody gets executed on a tower does the amount of gold they're worth go down?
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On May 30 2013 09:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
It was a sneak jab about the discussion a few back where people were trying to determine how good an ally was by win rates or KDA.
i figured as much, but just in case...
anyway i just tried it. some other dude on my team took jax and went top so i took singed mid, did it anyway
was really strong, i had more farm then opposing mid + jungler together and took ganks constantly so the rest of my lanes just snowballed
was pretty fun
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Why is this game so absurdly streaky? Is there something in the matchmaking? I get the feeling that each day, i either win or lose. There are no average days. Either win every game, or lose every game. There is nothing in between.
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On May 30 2013 09:17 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 09:14 overt wrote:On May 30 2013 09:02 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 30 2013 08:58 caelym wrote:
Does anyone else think All Star for League was bigger than G-1 was for Dota 2? or am I being biased and ignorant?
(I bring it up because Live on 3 is almost entirely dedicated to G-1, and not showing much love for All Star Shanghai.) All-Stars was a bigger specticle, but G-1 was probably more important for Dota as an eSport. LO3 has always been biased against LoL anyway, better since Scoots is gone but it's clear they sill prefer Dota and SC. All Stars was bigger. LoL is a bigger eSport. Lo3 doesn't cover it because the people on the show don't care that much about the league scene. They don't cover fighting games either. I don't think there's anything wrong with Lo3 focusing on DotA2 and SC2 while ignoring League. It does kind of suck that League's shows are all kind of bad because people who have been in the scene for years aren't as interested in League so we have to rely on Travis who doesn't have the contacts that Slasher or djWheat have (nor the experience). Hopefully in a few years Travis can step his game up and get pros back on his show and increase the production values of the shows he does or maybe someone like djWheat who's been in the scene for so long will step into LoL. edit: Also, I know that Travis has tried to get League players on his show again but complained that it was harder to organize them since they're all so busy now a days but it still sucks that he almost never gets to do a show with pro player commentary anymore. The All-Stars SotL was pretty cool.
Definitely. And I think Travis has done a really good job with what he has to work with. He's really new to this role of "eSports guy who makes community content," and without him we'd have a lot less contact with pro players. I'm glad that we get interviews from him every event and I think down the road he'll improve a lot.
Imagine if say Day9 or djWheat or someone decided to get into League though. We'd get so much more content and better shows because they just have years more experience than Travis.
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On May 30 2013 09:18 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 09:11 Sufficiency wrote:On May 30 2013 09:01 ArchAngelSC wrote:
So basically this singed tactic relies on feeding super hard early on and hoping to shit that the enemy team doesn't take advantage of their 2000 gold + ton of experience lead on their jungler?
Seems pretty bad to me .... Don't see how anyone could possibly lose to it. Yep. It's really, really dumb. If somebody gets executed on a tower does the amount of gold they're worth go down?
Nope, it doesn't affect kill bounty at all.
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On May 30 2013 09:20 Simberto wrote:
Why is this game so absurdly streaky? Is there something in the matchmaking? I get the feeling that each day, i either win or lose. There are no average days. Either win every game, or lose every game. There is nothing in between.
You could just be tilting. There are days when everyone tilts and plays like shit.
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On May 30 2013 09:21 zodde wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 09:18 Ketara wrote:On May 30 2013 09:11 Sufficiency wrote:On May 30 2013 09:01 ArchAngelSC wrote:
So basically this singed tactic relies on feeding super hard early on and hoping to shit that the enemy team doesn't take advantage of their 2000 gold + ton of experience lead on their jungler?
Seems pretty bad to me .... Don't see how anyone could possibly lose to it. Yep. It's really, really dumb. If somebody gets executed on a tower does the amount of gold they're worth go down? Nope, it doesn't affect kill bounty at all.
You know, it seems a little counterintuitive, but a real easy way to prevent this sort of split pushing die 8 times and not care stuff would be to have your death bounty reset to 300 if it's beneath 300 and you get executed by a tower.
Would make the strats a lot harder to pull off because if the tower kills you you're worth gold again.
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On May 30 2013 09:21 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 09:17 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 30 2013 09:14 overt wrote:On May 30 2013 09:02 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 30 2013 08:58 caelym wrote:
Does anyone else think All Star for League was bigger than G-1 was for Dota 2? or am I being biased and ignorant?
(I bring it up because Live on 3 is almost entirely dedicated to G-1, and not showing much love for All Star Shanghai.) All-Stars was a bigger specticle, but G-1 was probably more important for Dota as an eSport. LO3 has always been biased against LoL anyway, better since Scoots is gone but it's clear they sill prefer Dota and SC. All Stars was bigger. LoL is a bigger eSport. Lo3 doesn't cover it because the people on the show don't care that much about the league scene. They don't cover fighting games either. I don't think there's anything wrong with Lo3 focusing on DotA2 and SC2 while ignoring League. It does kind of suck that League's shows are all kind of bad because people who have been in the scene for years aren't as interested in League so we have to rely on Travis who doesn't have the contacts that Slasher or djWheat have (nor the experience). Hopefully in a few years Travis can step his game up and get pros back on his show and increase the production values of the shows he does or maybe someone like djWheat who's been in the scene for so long will step into LoL. edit: Also, I know that Travis has tried to get League players on his show again but complained that it was harder to organize them since they're all so busy now a days but it still sucks that he almost never gets to do a show with pro player commentary anymore. The All-Stars SotL was pretty cool. Definitely. And I think Travis has done a really good job with what he has to work with. He's really new to this role of "eSports guy who makes community content," and without him we'd have a lot less contact with pro players. I'm glad that we get interviews from him every event and I think down the road he'll improve a lot. Imagine if say Day9 or djWheat or someone decided to get into League though. We'd get so much more content and better shows because they just have years more experience than Travis.
yea... it really annoys how the big established media guys and organizations in esports are embedded in the SC2 scene (and some in Dota 2), meanwhile League of Legends, the biggest and most important esport right now, doesn't have much serious media coverage with a broad audience outreach.
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All Star bigger ? I dont follow Dota anymore but appearently Loda´s Team full of swedes won a big lan in the mecca of Dota 2 which is China. This is almost as big as a foreigner winning the GSL. Plus its fucking Loda, he already was a legend back in the days when I played.
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Wtf, I had a green and yellow banner. now I have no banner
Where they go :<
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On May 30 2013 08:58 caelym wrote:
Does anyone else think All Star for League was bigger than G-1 was for Dota 2? or am I being biased and ignorant?
(I bring it up because Live on 3 is almost entirely dedicated to G-1, and not showing much love for All Star Shanghai.)
Yes, it was bigger.
LoL is presenting a very significant threat to DotA 2 in China. A lot of the Western DotA 2 playerbase takes it for granted, but there is actually a very distinct split between "DotA" and "DotA 2" in China, and the question is how the slowly dying DotA 1 playerbase splits between DotA 2 and LoL. DotA 2 in China is currently under pressure from 3 sides: one being Tencent's far more aggressive approach toward E-sports (exclusivity agreements similar to Riot's exclusivity agreements with IPL/MLG/ESL); one being the fact that ACE's directorship is currently controlled by WE--who have no DotA team therefore have been unfairly biased in their actions against DotA and DotA teams (squelching semipro/amateur DotA 1 competition to accelerate the transition away from DotA 1, outright prohibiting iG/DK/LGD's DotA teams from participating in tournaments with prize pools smaller than ~$40,000 USD); and third being Valve and PW's tardiness in developing DotA 2's accessibility in China and (IMO) blunders in managing their own E-sports agreements.
LoL appears to be slowly winning, though not necessarily through pure popularity at this point, more than Riot and Tencent being more aggressive and proactive (some would say underhanded) than Valve and PW.
EDIT: Though I do think G-1 was more newsworthy than All-Stars. On all counts, All-Stars pretty much went entirely as expected. I don't believe that anything worth discussing on a show like Lo3 happened at All-Stars. There were no big upsets or surprises, Korea winning, business as usual.
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On May 30 2013 09:26 Complete wrote:
Wtf, I had a green and yellow banner. now I have no banner
Where they go :<
You weren't able to keep the honor/game rate they set for keeping a banner.
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On May 30 2013 09:25 caelym wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 09:21 overt wrote:On May 30 2013 09:17 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 30 2013 09:14 overt wrote:On May 30 2013 09:02 onlywonderboy wrote:On May 30 2013 08:58 caelym wrote:
Does anyone else think All Star for League was bigger than G-1 was for Dota 2? or am I being biased and ignorant?
(I bring it up because Live on 3 is almost entirely dedicated to G-1, and not showing much love for All Star Shanghai.) All-Stars was a bigger specticle, but G-1 was probably more important for Dota as an eSport. LO3 has always been biased against LoL anyway, better since Scoots is gone but it's clear they sill prefer Dota and SC. All Stars was bigger. LoL is a bigger eSport. Lo3 doesn't cover it because the people on the show don't care that much about the league scene. They don't cover fighting games either. I don't think there's anything wrong with Lo3 focusing on DotA2 and SC2 while ignoring League. It does kind of suck that League's shows are all kind of bad because people who have been in the scene for years aren't as interested in League so we have to rely on Travis who doesn't have the contacts that Slasher or djWheat have (nor the experience). Hopefully in a few years Travis can step his game up and get pros back on his show and increase the production values of the shows he does or maybe someone like djWheat who's been in the scene for so long will step into LoL. edit: Also, I know that Travis has tried to get League players on his show again but complained that it was harder to organize them since they're all so busy now a days but it still sucks that he almost never gets to do a show with pro player commentary anymore. The All-Stars SotL was pretty cool. Definitely. And I think Travis has done a really good job with what he has to work with. He's really new to this role of "eSports guy who makes community content," and without him we'd have a lot less contact with pro players. I'm glad that we get interviews from him every event and I think down the road he'll improve a lot. Imagine if say Day9 or djWheat or someone decided to get into League though. We'd get so much more content and better shows because they just have years more experience than Travis. yea... it really annoys how the big established media guys and organizations in esports are embedded in the SC2 scene (and some in Dota 2), meanwhile League of Legends, the biggest and most important esport right now, doesn't have much serious media coverage with a broad audience outreach.
A lot of those guys with SC backgrounds are into more "hardcore" games and Dota fills the hardcore MOBA niche more than League. It's just a preference thing, one of the main reasons TL chose Dota over LoL. I'm honestly surprised we have as many BW veterans as we do here that play LoL over Dota.
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Someone give me a Zac rune page.
I feel like when I go spectral wraith, I die too easily, and when I go Ancient Golem, I do no damage unless I'm super fed. That's fine when your laners do well, but when your mid Lux does dumb stuff like rush Lich Bane, the lack of damage is a problem.
I have been going 9/21, e-> w-> q. Mpen reds, armor yellows, mr/lvl blues, MS quints (although I also tried Armor and Spell Vamp quints). I don't clear particularly fast, and my early ganks are really strong, but my teamfighting seems to only be good for the knockups.
Help a brother out.
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fuk all u geeks, smite is the only srs and skilled moba
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On May 30 2013 09:46 onlywonderboy wrote:
I'm honestly surprised we have as many BW veterans as we do here that play LoL over Dota.
I'm not.
The things that make a "hardcore" MOBA that way are not the same things that make a game like Starcraft "hardcore". It's just a matter of choice/opinion/illogical prejudices. In the case of LoL, there are plenty of people who just find the game more fun/relaxing/have more friends playing the game.
Remembering BW as some super hardcore competitive game is just colored memory. For every 1 serious ICCup/PGT/etc. game, there were 10 games of Sunken Defense/Minigame Party/whatever your favorite UMS was.
On May 30 2013 09:53 AsmodeusXI wrote:
fuk all u geeks, smite is the only srs and skilled moba
The one thing that both DotAers and LoLers can agree on. 
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On May 30 2013 09:51 upperbound wrote:
Someone give me a Zac rune page.
I feel like when I go spectral wraith, I die too easily, and when I go Ancient Golem, I do no damage unless I'm super fed. That's fine when your laners do well, but when your mid Lux does dumb stuff like rush Lich Bane, the lack of damage is a problem.
I have been going 9/21, e-> w-> q. Mpen reds, armor yellows, mr/lvl blues, MS quints (although I also tried Armor and Spell Vamp quints). I don't clear particularly fast, and my early ganks are really strong, but my teamfighting seems to only be good for the knockups.
Help a brother out.
max W last. E>Q>W. your runes seem fine.
zac's damage output is more about sustained damage, although his ERW burst can be pretty big if you get some mpen items. I like Guise into tanky stuff. Liandry's/Abyssal whenever you can. As for Wraith v. Golem, I prefer Golem. I tend to play Zac top lane though 'cause I feel like he's more effective with lane farm than the farm you can get as a jungler.
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