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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 22:22:58
May 29 2013 22:18 GMT
#3901
KDA over a lot of games reflects how good you are at a specific champion. Obviously average deaths is a big factor, because at a higher level of play, you'll generally get a lot less deaths and a corresponding decrease in kills/assists. I'd be a lot less impressed with a silver player having a 3.5kda on panth with an average score of like 15/10/20 than I would be of something like 6/4/8 every game on a plat for example.

Winrate over a lot of games when combined with KDA shows how strong you are at carrying from that position with that champion.

I'm rather proud of my 4.2 kda anivia over 39 games, but she's pretty bad in the current meta because it's hard to carry because it's very difficult to make an impact on other lanes early on. Only 56.4% winrate despite the relatively high kda.

Generally, tops over a lot of games will get a kda somewhere in the 2.2-2.8 range, and the rest of the roles should aim for 3.0+- .5
Porouscloud - NA LoL
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
May 29 2013 22:25 GMT
#3902
^That's always an interesting topic of discussions when my level 28 friends laugh at my 8/4/10 average Jayce KDA in ranked
lol
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 29 2013 22:41 GMT
#3903


LOL thats fkn hilarious ^^^^^^^^
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11498 Posts
May 29 2013 22:42 GMT
#3904
On May 30 2013 07:04 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 06:56 overt wrote:
On May 30 2013 06:38 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 30 2013 06:30 Lylat wrote:
Hahaha Riot trolling EUW again by giving free stuff to Korea ! My god this is funny

interesting thought; what would happen if Hydra worked with ranged champions?


Probably nothing. Once you kill 5 creeps you get more AD and lifesteal than Hydra for 100 gold less. The active would be pretty worthless on ADCs as well. Maybe if you wanted to split push a lot but I can't imagine Hydra replacing BT for the high AD life steal option on ADCs.

It'd probably be a pretty solid buy on Twitch but that's about it.


Difficulty splitpushing (the actual pushing part) by the that point in the game is highly overrated anyways. Only supports can't push quickly, and that is because they have rubbish AD and not enough AP to one-shot anything.



Ez. Imagine Ez with Hydra, Iceborn, BT, BT, LW, Cdr boots + glyphs. That is blue ez, only even more evil
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
May 29 2013 22:46 GMT
#3905
KDA means so very very little about how good you are with a champion or at winning with said champion.
twitch.tv/cratonz
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 22:49:54
May 29 2013 22:46 GMT
#3906
man, all my friends playing blue ez, then complain when we lose cuz our team does no damage >_>

i have a 31 kda with darius and a 22 kda with jayce, doesnt mean i'm good at those champs. just means i played one game and facerolled really hard.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 29 2013 22:50 GMT
#3907
On May 30 2013 07:42 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 07:04 cLutZ wrote:
On May 30 2013 06:56 overt wrote:
On May 30 2013 06:38 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 30 2013 06:30 Lylat wrote:
Hahaha Riot trolling EUW again by giving free stuff to Korea ! My god this is funny

interesting thought; what would happen if Hydra worked with ranged champions?


Probably nothing. Once you kill 5 creeps you get more AD and lifesteal than Hydra for 100 gold less. The active would be pretty worthless on ADCs as well. Maybe if you wanted to split push a lot but I can't imagine Hydra replacing BT for the high AD life steal option on ADCs.

It'd probably be a pretty solid buy on Twitch but that's about it.


Difficulty splitpushing (the actual pushing part) by the that point in the game is highly overrated anyways. Only supports can't push quickly, and that is because they have rubbish AD and not enough AP to one-shot anything.



Ez. Imagine Ez with Hydra, Iceborn, BT, BT, LW, Cdr boots + glyphs. That is blue ez, only even more evil


Hydra doesn't apply on-hits only life steal. You also don't have Muramana which is the single best item in that build.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 29 2013 22:52 GMT
#3908
On May 30 2013 07:50 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 07:42 Simberto wrote:
On May 30 2013 07:04 cLutZ wrote:
On May 30 2013 06:56 overt wrote:
On May 30 2013 06:38 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 30 2013 06:30 Lylat wrote:
Hahaha Riot trolling EUW again by giving free stuff to Korea ! My god this is funny

interesting thought; what would happen if Hydra worked with ranged champions?


Probably nothing. Once you kill 5 creeps you get more AD and lifesteal than Hydra for 100 gold less. The active would be pretty worthless on ADCs as well. Maybe if you wanted to split push a lot but I can't imagine Hydra replacing BT for the high AD life steal option on ADCs.

It'd probably be a pretty solid buy on Twitch but that's about it.


Difficulty splitpushing (the actual pushing part) by the that point in the game is highly overrated anyways. Only supports can't push quickly, and that is because they have rubbish AD and not enough AP to one-shot anything.



Ez. Imagine Ez with Hydra, Iceborn, BT, BT, LW, Cdr boots + glyphs. That is blue ez, only even more evil


Hydra doesn't apply on-hits only life steal. You also don't have Muramana which is the single best item in that build.

Could replace BT with Muramana; in that build. Hydra poke would be pretty ridic.
liftlift > tsm
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 23:01:53
May 29 2013 22:55 GMT
#3909
On May 30 2013 07:52 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 07:50 overt wrote:
On May 30 2013 07:42 Simberto wrote:
On May 30 2013 07:04 cLutZ wrote:
On May 30 2013 06:56 overt wrote:
On May 30 2013 06:38 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 30 2013 06:30 Lylat wrote:
Hahaha Riot trolling EUW again by giving free stuff to Korea ! My god this is funny

interesting thought; what would happen if Hydra worked with ranged champions?


Probably nothing. Once you kill 5 creeps you get more AD and lifesteal than Hydra for 100 gold less. The active would be pretty worthless on ADCs as well. Maybe if you wanted to split push a lot but I can't imagine Hydra replacing BT for the high AD life steal option on ADCs.

It'd probably be a pretty solid buy on Twitch but that's about it.


Difficulty splitpushing (the actual pushing part) by the that point in the game is highly overrated anyways. Only supports can't push quickly, and that is because they have rubbish AD and not enough AP to one-shot anything.



Ez. Imagine Ez with Hydra, Iceborn, BT, BT, LW, Cdr boots + glyphs. That is blue ez, only even more evil


Hydra doesn't apply on-hits only life steal. You also don't have Muramana which is the single best item in that build.

Could replace BT with Muramana; in that build. Hydra poke would be pretty ridic.


Maybe. You'd probably be getting Hydra really late and you'd get Muramana later than current build since you're not getting Elder Lizard. I guess if the game is going to be 50 minutes long and Hydra worked on ranged champs it'd be good.

edit:
This is all kind of dumb because Riot is never gonna make Hydra work on ranged champs but if you wanted to incorporate Hydra into an Ez build what do you replace?

If you replace Elder Lizard you have to do the Doublelift build path which means BT->Manamune->Iceborn->LW->Hydra with CDR boots in there somewhere. This delays your Muramana a lot which is bad because Muramana is probably the strongest part of the build. Unless you get an advantage going BT start sucks on blue Ez. There's a reason only Doublelift does it lol. This is the best build path but you'd probably not get Hydra until so late that it's irrelevant and I don't think it'd be a good idea to get Hydra first and BT later.

If you open with tear or manamune you get Muramana quicker but you're going to get abused in any lane hard.

If you replace LW you don't have ARMpen. If you replace BT your best AD item goes away. You can't really replace Muramana or Iceborn.
affinity
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States266 Posts
May 29 2013 23:02 GMT
#3910
Have any of you seen this super deep singed proxy farming? http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3495251

The singed just starts proxy farming between inner and inhib turrets at level 1 and is pretty much super relentless with trying to pull the enemy up to stop him. Then, he just suicides into the turret. I've seen a guy proxy farm at level 1, but not to this level. I thought it's brilliant and incredibly hilarious, and I have no idea how to stop it.

Post on the forums:

Seriously, this ruins PvP interaction in the laning phase as you're forced to either A) ignore the player doing this and just farm or B) try to stop him. Option A is something Riot has openly admitted they HATE (players ignoring each other in lane) and Option B is simply not viable due to how much you fall behind if you miss an entire wave of experience/CS.

Singed is the most blatant offender of this. There's currently a player who got to Diamond I by abusing this mechanic to the fullest extent possible. He begins by farming in between the enemy team's turrets at level 1, forcing the jungler to constantly gank him. Eventually he becomes worth as little gold as a blue wraith, making the difficult to kill Singed not worth killing as he continues pushing to the nexus.



Before anyone claims that this strategy is stupid and ineffective, check out the LolKing of the player I'm talking about: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21239848#ranked-stats

As of right now, he is the highest win rate Singed in Diamond with a monstrous 70.7% win rate over 140 games played.

Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that he wins far more games than he loses with this strategy (even when he goes 1-12 he wins). The amount of pressure he exerts from doing this is just too much and requires the enemy team to commit far too many resources to prevent him from winning the game for his team.



VIDEO of this strategy being used against one of the best top laners in the world TSM Dyrus: http://www.twitch.tv/tsm_dyrus/b/409026360?t=6h7m30s

Another entertaining video, this time he farms all lanes from inside the enemy base (AT LEVEL 6): http://www.twitch.tv/robertxlee/b/409688891?t=1h30m30s

Reddit AMA and mini-guide by the creator of this strategy Druiddroid: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1epw32/iama_proxy_at_level_1_singed_that_just_reached/
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 29 2013 23:06 GMT
#3911
Watched this guy on a few streams today was rather hilarious.Don't think it's good at all unless the enemy jungler is really weak/bad but we'll see those few days after people try it in my games lol.
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
May 29 2013 23:09 GMT
#3912
Silsoling at its best
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 29 2013 23:15 GMT
#3913
How did this come to be termed proxy farming?

The original term creepskipping makes a lot more sense to me.
Moderator
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
May 29 2013 23:17 GMT
#3914
I am having trouble trying to understand how this even works. Do you just like, afk farm between towers, die a lot and then your team 4v5's?
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 23:19:17
May 29 2013 23:17 GMT
#3915
Probably some random commentator or streamer said it and it became the norm like everything.If I had to bet it'd be wings.

edit:Yes.He just goes as deep as possible and suicides so enemy team doesn't get the gold and forces people to chase him by pushing non stop.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
May 29 2013 23:22 GMT
#3916
would like tryndamere be a better pick for this?
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 03:43:16
May 29 2013 23:26 GMT
#3917
On May 30 2013 07:42 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 07:04 cLutZ wrote:
On May 30 2013 06:56 overt wrote:
On May 30 2013 06:38 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 30 2013 06:30 Lylat wrote:
Hahaha Riot trolling EUW again by giving free stuff to Korea ! My god this is funny

interesting thought; what would happen if Hydra worked with ranged champions?


Probably nothing. Once you kill 5 creeps you get more AD and lifesteal than Hydra for 100 gold less. The active would be pretty worthless on ADCs as well. Maybe if you wanted to split push a lot but I can't imagine Hydra replacing BT for the high AD life steal option on ADCs.

It'd probably be a pretty solid buy on Twitch but that's about it.


Difficulty splitpushing (the actual pushing part) by the that point in the game is highly overrated anyways. Only supports can't push quickly, and that is because they have rubbish AD and not enough AP to one-shot anything.



Ez. Imagine Ez with Hydra, Iceborn, BT, BT, LW, Cdr boots + glyphs. That is blue ez, only even more evil

Hydra doesn't proc or have an active on ranged champs
EDIT: DISREGARD I AM BAD AT READING MORE THAN ONE LEVEL OF NESTED QUOTES
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35141 Posts
May 29 2013 23:26 GMT
#3918
On May 30 2013 06:38 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 06:30 Lylat wrote:
Hahaha Riot trolling EUW again by giving free stuff to Korea ! My god this is funny

I seriously hope Riot never fixes EUW; These delicious tears.
+ Show Spoiler +
Just kidding; seriously though, I wonder whats causing all the issues for EUW servers.

interesting thought; what would happen if Hydra worked with ranged champions?

Trist would be the biggest bullshit ever. You step near minions and you're fucking dead.
Cheap0
Profile Joined July 2012
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 23:29:18
May 29 2013 23:27 GMT
#3919
Basically, if your top laner tries to deal with the Singed, he has to leave his lane and all the gold and exp from minions to be eaten by his tower (which is gradually being destroyed) to repeatedly deal with the Singed who's hard to kill and becomes worth less the more he dies.

It seems like something that wouldn't be great in organized play, but could be really frustrating in solo queue where the coordination just isn't there. I've faced this once before. My mid and jungler constantly had to help me deal with him, and doing so wasn't really accomplishing much for us. It freed up their mid and jungler to make plays with impunity elsewhere.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
May 29 2013 23:28 GMT
#3920
On May 30 2013 08:17 nafta wrote:
edit:Yes.He just goes as deep as possible and suicides so enemy team doesn't get the gold and forces people to chase him by pushing non stop.

This sounds like a bad idea below a certain level of play simply because your team won't have any idea how to take advantage of the pressure and do something with it and then someone fed will roll through them all and people will just get mad. It seems like split-pushing taken to the extreme?

On May 30 2013 08:26 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 06:38 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 30 2013 06:30 Lylat wrote:
Hahaha Riot trolling EUW again by giving free stuff to Korea ! My god this is funny

I seriously hope Riot never fixes EUW; These delicious tears.
+ Show Spoiler +
Just kidding; seriously though, I wonder whats causing all the issues for EUW servers.

interesting thought; what would happen if Hydra worked with ranged champions?

Trist would be the biggest bullshit ever. You step near minions and you're fucking dead.

ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
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