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On May 30 2013 10:12 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 09:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:On May 30 2013 09:55 Alaric wrote:
Too bad Curse isn't too skilled at Smite then. BOOM HEADSHOT! Also, Capricious currently owning scarra on stream. #TLrepresent By the way, wtf is with this SOTLE on every plausible champion? Isn't this what everyone predicted would happen when they came out with Machete and the buffed jungle?
Don't worry, there's an ez explanation for this.
LoL is actually...
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On May 30 2013 08:02 affinity wrote:Have any of you seen this super deep singed proxy farming? http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3495251The singed just starts proxy farming between inner and inhib turrets at level 1 and is pretty much super relentless with trying to pull the enemy up to stop him. Then, he just suicides into the turret. I've seen a guy proxy farm at level 1, but not to this level. I thought it's brilliant and incredibly hilarious, and I have no idea how to stop it. Post on the forums: Show nested quote +Seriously, this ruins PvP interaction in the laning phase as you're forced to either A) ignore the player doing this and just farm or B) try to stop him. Option A is something Riot has openly admitted they HATE (players ignoring each other in lane) and Option B is simply not viable due to how much you fall behind if you miss an entire wave of experience/CS. Singed is the most blatant offender of this. There's currently a player who got to Diamond I by abusing this mechanic to the fullest extent possible. He begins by farming in between the enemy team's turrets at level 1, forcing the jungler to constantly gank him. Eventually he becomes worth as little gold as a blue wraith, making the difficult to kill Singed not worth killing as he continues pushing to the nexus. Before anyone claims that this strategy is stupid and ineffective, check out the LolKing of the player I'm talking about: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21239848#ranked-statsAs of right now, he is the highest win rate Singed in Diamond with a monstrous 70.7% win rate over 140 games played. Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that he wins far more games than he loses with this strategy (even when he goes 1-12 he wins). The amount of pressure he exerts from doing this is just too much and requires the enemy team to commit far too many resources to prevent him from winning the game for his team. VIDEO of this strategy being used against one of the best top laners in the world TSM Dyrus: http://www.twitch.tv/tsm_dyrus/b/409026360?t=6h7m30sAnother entertaining video, this time he farms all lanes from inside the enemy base (AT LEVEL 6): http://www.twitch.tv/robertxlee/b/409688891?t=1h30m30sReddit AMA and mini-guide by the creator of this strategy Druiddroid: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1epw32/iama_proxy_at_level_1_singed_that_just_reached/
watched yesterday wingsofdeath lose to singed playing like this, at first WoD crushed him had like 70cs to 15 but 0-10 singed just keept running and proxy farm (he was worth no gold at this point)
when he farmed enough for roa + AA it took alot resources to stop him and it didnt matter he was behind, WoD team had no creeps to push turrets and couldnt afford to chase him all the time.
at the end wings lost that game and got outscaled badly by singed as renekton, tbh i think singed is still a very silly champion
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On May 30 2013 10:17 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 08:02 affinity wrote:Have any of you seen this super deep singed proxy farming? http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3495251The singed just starts proxy farming between inner and inhib turrets at level 1 and is pretty much super relentless with trying to pull the enemy up to stop him. Then, he just suicides into the turret. I've seen a guy proxy farm at level 1, but not to this level. I thought it's brilliant and incredibly hilarious, and I have no idea how to stop it. Post on the forums: Seriously, this ruins PvP interaction in the laning phase as you're forced to either A) ignore the player doing this and just farm or B) try to stop him. Option A is something Riot has openly admitted they HATE (players ignoring each other in lane) and Option B is simply not viable due to how much you fall behind if you miss an entire wave of experience/CS. Singed is the most blatant offender of this. There's currently a player who got to Diamond I by abusing this mechanic to the fullest extent possible. He begins by farming in between the enemy team's turrets at level 1, forcing the jungler to constantly gank him. Eventually he becomes worth as little gold as a blue wraith, making the difficult to kill Singed not worth killing as he continues pushing to the nexus. Before anyone claims that this strategy is stupid and ineffective, check out the LolKing of the player I'm talking about: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21239848#ranked-statsAs of right now, he is the highest win rate Singed in Diamond with a monstrous 70.7% win rate over 140 games played. Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that he wins far more games than he loses with this strategy (even when he goes 1-12 he wins). The amount of pressure he exerts from doing this is just too much and requires the enemy team to commit far too many resources to prevent him from winning the game for his team. VIDEO of this strategy being used against one of the best top laners in the world TSM Dyrus: http://www.twitch.tv/tsm_dyrus/b/409026360?t=6h7m30sAnother entertaining video, this time he farms all lanes from inside the enemy base (AT LEVEL 6): http://www.twitch.tv/robertxlee/b/409688891?t=1h30m30sReddit AMA and mini-guide by the creator of this strategy Druiddroid: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1epw32/iama_proxy_at_level_1_singed_that_just_reached/ watched yesterday wingsofdeath lose to singed playing like this, at first WoD crushed him had like 70cs to 15 but 0-10 singed just keept running and proxy farm (he was worth no gold at this point) when he farmed enough for roa + AA it took alot resources to stop him and it didnt matter he was behind, WoD team had no creeps to push turrets and couldnt afford to chase him all the time. at the end wings lost that game and got outscaled badly by singed as renekton, tbh i think singed is still a very silly champion
Same thing happened to Voyboy earlier on his final promo game to Challenger. Got mad fed as Olaf, then everyone slowly lost as Singed continued being a bitch.
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On May 30 2013 10:05 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 09:05 obesechicken13 wrote:On May 30 2013 08:40 Mogwai wrote:
this has literally always been the right way to play singed................. And Top nunu is supposed to be played with extra mana for sustain. Riot doesn't follow their "right ways" to play a champion. Not that I've ever seen a singed play like the one against Dyrus. If they did then Singed wouldn't have lost his tenacity and Nunu much of his sustain. On May 30 2013 08:43 gtrsrs wrote:On May 30 2013 08:36 obesechicken13 wrote:On May 30 2013 08:02 affinity wrote:Have any of you seen this super deep singed proxy farming? http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3495251The singed just starts proxy farming between inner and inhib turrets at level 1 and is pretty much super relentless with trying to pull the enemy up to stop him. Then, he just suicides into the turret. I've seen a guy proxy farm at level 1, but not to this level. I thought it's brilliant and incredibly hilarious, and I have no idea how to stop it. Post on the forums: Seriously, this ruins PvP interaction in the laning phase as you're forced to either A) ignore the player doing this and just farm or B) try to stop him. Option A is something Riot has openly admitted they HATE (players ignoring each other in lane) and Option B is simply not viable due to how much you fall behind if you miss an entire wave of experience/CS. Singed is the most blatant offender of this. There's currently a player who got to Diamond I by abusing this mechanic to the fullest extent possible. He begins by farming in between the enemy team's turrets at level 1, forcing the jungler to constantly gank him. Eventually he becomes worth as little gold as a blue wraith, making the difficult to kill Singed not worth killing as he continues pushing to the nexus. Before anyone claims that this strategy is stupid and ineffective, check out the LolKing of the player I'm talking about: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21239848#ranked-statsAs of right now, he is the highest win rate Singed in Diamond with a monstrous 70.7% win rate over 140 games played. Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that he wins far more games than he loses with this strategy (even when he goes 1-12 he wins). The amount of pressure he exerts from doing this is just too much and requires the enemy team to commit far too many resources to prevent him from winning the game for his team. VIDEO of this strategy being used against one of the best top laners in the world TSM Dyrus: http://www.twitch.tv/tsm_dyrus/b/409026360?t=6h7m30sAnother entertaining video, this time he farms all lanes from inside the enemy base (AT LEVEL 6): http://www.twitch.tv/robertxlee/b/409688891?t=1h30m30sReddit AMA and mini-guide by the creator of this strategy Druiddroid: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1epw32/iama_proxy_at_level_1_singed_that_just_reached/ This kind of game breaking stuff is what I live for ^_^ Slight exaggeration but I love this. Wait...1.2 KDA and 8.4 deaths per game? nvm I was wrong. He is bad. hahaha he's diamond 1 with a 71% win-ratio with his best champ he's not only not bad, he's insanely good It was a sneak jab about the discussion a few back where people were trying to determine how good an ally was by win rates or KDA. Also I love Dyrus' stream. I found this gem of a song: + Show Spoiler + I always hear songs on streams that I want to check out. How the heck did you catch what it was?
This one had lyrics.
If you have soundhound you can also just turn on the app and it'll detect what song is playing even if the lyrics are unintelligible.
If you're in chat you can also ask but I don't have a twitch accnt so I don't.
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On May 30 2013 10:19 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 10:17 kongoline wrote:On May 30 2013 08:02 affinity wrote:Have any of you seen this super deep singed proxy farming? http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3495251The singed just starts proxy farming between inner and inhib turrets at level 1 and is pretty much super relentless with trying to pull the enemy up to stop him. Then, he just suicides into the turret. I've seen a guy proxy farm at level 1, but not to this level. I thought it's brilliant and incredibly hilarious, and I have no idea how to stop it. Post on the forums: Seriously, this ruins PvP interaction in the laning phase as you're forced to either A) ignore the player doing this and just farm or B) try to stop him. Option A is something Riot has openly admitted they HATE (players ignoring each other in lane) and Option B is simply not viable due to how much you fall behind if you miss an entire wave of experience/CS. Singed is the most blatant offender of this. There's currently a player who got to Diamond I by abusing this mechanic to the fullest extent possible. He begins by farming in between the enemy team's turrets at level 1, forcing the jungler to constantly gank him. Eventually he becomes worth as little gold as a blue wraith, making the difficult to kill Singed not worth killing as he continues pushing to the nexus. Before anyone claims that this strategy is stupid and ineffective, check out the LolKing of the player I'm talking about: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21239848#ranked-statsAs of right now, he is the highest win rate Singed in Diamond with a monstrous 70.7% win rate over 140 games played. Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that he wins far more games than he loses with this strategy (even when he goes 1-12 he wins). The amount of pressure he exerts from doing this is just too much and requires the enemy team to commit far too many resources to prevent him from winning the game for his team. VIDEO of this strategy being used against one of the best top laners in the world TSM Dyrus: http://www.twitch.tv/tsm_dyrus/b/409026360?t=6h7m30sAnother entertaining video, this time he farms all lanes from inside the enemy base (AT LEVEL 6): http://www.twitch.tv/robertxlee/b/409688891?t=1h30m30sReddit AMA and mini-guide by the creator of this strategy Druiddroid: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1epw32/iama_proxy_at_level_1_singed_that_just_reached/ watched yesterday wingsofdeath lose to singed playing like this, at first WoD crushed him had like 70cs to 15 but 0-10 singed just keept running and proxy farm (he was worth no gold at this point) when he farmed enough for roa + AA it took alot resources to stop him and it didnt matter he was behind, WoD team had no creeps to push turrets and couldnt afford to chase him all the time. at the end wings lost that game and got outscaled badly by singed as renekton, tbh i think singed is still a very silly champion Same thing happened to Voyboy earlier on his final promo game to Challenger. Got mad fed as Olaf, then everyone slowly lost as Singed continued being a bitch.
Sadly Olaf doesn't carry as hard as he used to.
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On May 30 2013 10:15 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 10:12 cLutZ wrote:On May 30 2013 09:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:On May 30 2013 09:55 Alaric wrote:
Too bad Curse isn't too skilled at Smite then. BOOM HEADSHOT! Also, Capricious currently owning scarra on stream. #TLrepresent By the way, wtf is with this SOTLE on every plausible champion? Isn't this what everyone predicted would happen when they came out with Machete and the buffed jungle? Don't worry, there's an ez explanation for this. LoL is actually... + Show Spoiler +
A broken Gif?
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On May 30 2013 10:22 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 10:15 AsmodeusXI wrote:On May 30 2013 10:12 cLutZ wrote:On May 30 2013 09:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:On May 30 2013 09:55 Alaric wrote:
Too bad Curse isn't too skilled at Smite then. BOOM HEADSHOT! Also, Capricious currently owning scarra on stream. #TLrepresent By the way, wtf is with this SOTLE on every plausible champion? Isn't this what everyone predicted would happen when they came out with Machete and the buffed jungle? Don't worry, there's an ez explanation for this. LoL is actually... + Show Spoiler + A broken Gif?
Apparently yes. ...fuck
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Does Olaf even carry at all anymore? :'(
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voy played full tank olaf in that game, its hard to solo carry with full tank when ur the only one fed in ur team, but the fact singed can feed 0-20 and still be major annoyance is kinda dumb tho
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On May 30 2013 09:55 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 09:51 upperbound wrote:
Someone give me a Zac rune page.
I feel like when I go spectral wraith, I die too easily, and when I go Ancient Golem, I do no damage unless I'm super fed. That's fine when your laners do well, but when your mid Lux does dumb stuff like rush Lich Bane, the lack of damage is a problem.
I have been going 9/21, e-> w-> q. Mpen reds, armor yellows, mr/lvl blues, MS quints (although I also tried Armor and Spell Vamp quints). I don't clear particularly fast, and my early ganks are really strong, but my teamfighting seems to only be good for the knockups.
Help a brother out. max W last. E>Q>W. your runes seem fine. zac's damage output is more about sustained damage, although his ERW burst can be pretty big if you get some mpen items. I like Guise into tanky stuff. Liandry's/Abyssal whenever you can. As for Wraith v. Golem, I prefer Golem. I tend to play Zac top lane though 'cause I feel like he's more effective with lane farm than the farm you can get as a jungler.
But...isnt it better to go spellvamp quints on zac? The movespeed seems kinda abundant when you can use E to get around, he seems to suffer more from HP loss while farming early then mobility imo.
Obviously after like, level 6, both are completely pointless anyway because he just bounces around everywhere and sustains the fuck out of himself
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I'm fine with the whole proxy farming thing, and I think it's pretty interesting in general. What irks me though is how quickly the Singed becomes worth nothing and how easy that is to exploit, to the point where there's literally no good choice if you're playing against it. You have to kill him, but you're receiving no reward for it. It doesn't make sense and it's counter-intuitive. Why should someone who's having such a big impact on the game give no reward to the enemy team for being killed?
I don't have a good answer to it, but I do think it's pretty lame.
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On May 30 2013 10:11 schmutttt wrote:
My god this singed strat.....
Trying in normals brb
what singed strat?
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On May 30 2013 10:40 Cheap0 wrote:
I'm fine with the whole proxy farming thing, and I think it's pretty interesting in general. What irks me though is how quickly the Singed becomes worth nothing and how easy that is to exploit, to the point where there's literally no good choice if you're playing against it. You have to kill him, but you're receiving no reward for it. It doesn't make sense and it's counter-intuitive. Why should someone who's having such a big impact on the game give no reward to the enemy team for being killed?
I don't have a good answer to it, but I do think it's pretty lame.
It's called the hotshot paradox.
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On May 30 2013 10:19 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 10:05 cLutZ wrote:On May 30 2013 09:05 obesechicken13 wrote:On May 30 2013 08:40 Mogwai wrote:
this has literally always been the right way to play singed................. And Top nunu is supposed to be played with extra mana for sustain. Riot doesn't follow their "right ways" to play a champion. Not that I've ever seen a singed play like the one against Dyrus. If they did then Singed wouldn't have lost his tenacity and Nunu much of his sustain. On May 30 2013 08:43 gtrsrs wrote:On May 30 2013 08:36 obesechicken13 wrote:On May 30 2013 08:02 affinity wrote:Have any of you seen this super deep singed proxy farming? http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3495251The singed just starts proxy farming between inner and inhib turrets at level 1 and is pretty much super relentless with trying to pull the enemy up to stop him. Then, he just suicides into the turret. I've seen a guy proxy farm at level 1, but not to this level. I thought it's brilliant and incredibly hilarious, and I have no idea how to stop it. Post on the forums: Seriously, this ruins PvP interaction in the laning phase as you're forced to either A) ignore the player doing this and just farm or B) try to stop him. Option A is something Riot has openly admitted they HATE (players ignoring each other in lane) and Option B is simply not viable due to how much you fall behind if you miss an entire wave of experience/CS. Singed is the most blatant offender of this. There's currently a player who got to Diamond I by abusing this mechanic to the fullest extent possible. He begins by farming in between the enemy team's turrets at level 1, forcing the jungler to constantly gank him. Eventually he becomes worth as little gold as a blue wraith, making the difficult to kill Singed not worth killing as he continues pushing to the nexus. Before anyone claims that this strategy is stupid and ineffective, check out the LolKing of the player I'm talking about: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21239848#ranked-statsAs of right now, he is the highest win rate Singed in Diamond with a monstrous 70.7% win rate over 140 games played. Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that he wins far more games than he loses with this strategy (even when he goes 1-12 he wins). The amount of pressure he exerts from doing this is just too much and requires the enemy team to commit far too many resources to prevent him from winning the game for his team. VIDEO of this strategy being used against one of the best top laners in the world TSM Dyrus: http://www.twitch.tv/tsm_dyrus/b/409026360?t=6h7m30sAnother entertaining video, this time he farms all lanes from inside the enemy base (AT LEVEL 6): http://www.twitch.tv/robertxlee/b/409688891?t=1h30m30sReddit AMA and mini-guide by the creator of this strategy Druiddroid: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1epw32/iama_proxy_at_level_1_singed_that_just_reached/ This kind of game breaking stuff is what I live for ^_^ Slight exaggeration but I love this. Wait...1.2 KDA and 8.4 deaths per game? nvm I was wrong. He is bad. hahaha he's diamond 1 with a 71% win-ratio with his best champ he's not only not bad, he's insanely good It was a sneak jab about the discussion a few back where people were trying to determine how good an ally was by win rates or KDA. Also I love Dyrus' stream. I found this gem of a song: + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHEOF_rcND8 I always hear songs on streams that I want to check out. How the heck did you catch what it was? This one had lyrics. If you have soundhound you can also just turn on the app and it'll detect what song is playing even if the lyrics are unintelligible. If you're in chat you can also ask but I don't have a twitch accnt so I don't.
I hope you like Sandstorm of you do this
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2 wins with the singed thing, 10 deaths each game, still have the highest or near highest gold in the game
honestly the hardest thing is restraining yourself from killing their jungler when he comes to gank and has double buff... must... not... get... a .... kill...
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Laneswap adc/support to singed lane, have support suicide in poison cloud. WOULD IT WORK? D:
Though I guess singed pretty much can laneswap all day.
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I think it could be countered with a lane swap. Leave the ad at the turret to last hit, and have the support auto him whenever he shows up to lane until he dies. And of course he'll eventually get fed, so the support can reset his gold counter. I actually had a game like this like a year ago. Vlad bitched at me before I even finished killing blue for a gank to stop singed inbetween turrets.
If riot wants to nerf this, they'll just extended the turret range of turrets that can't be attacked so there's no room inbetween them. Problem solved.
edit: that will probably create more problems actually.
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Couldn't you counter the singed thing by purposely feeding him a kill when he gets to 0-4, 0-5 or so?Jungler gets low clearing, walks into singed's poison without buffs on. The support could do it too.
Had someone try this last night vs my team, their bot lane fed terribly though so it didn't work out.
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On May 30 2013 10:40 Cheap0 wrote:
I'm fine with the whole proxy farming thing, and I think it's pretty interesting in general. What irks me though is how quickly the Singed becomes worth nothing and how easy that is to exploit, to the point where there's literally no good choice if you're playing against it. You have to kill him, but you're receiving no reward for it. It doesn't make sense and it's counter-intuitive. Why should someone who's having such a big impact on the game give no reward to the enemy team for being killed?
I don't have a good answer to it, but I do think it's pretty lame.
Its fairly easy actually.
#1. Revert the changes they made to deathstreaks. This way its not 300/261/182(WTF is this)/128/90/63/44/31/21/15, instead if it was the previous values: 300/255/217/185/157/133/113/96/90 the feeding strats are all much worse.
#2. If you make every 25 Minions = to an assist on the reset meter (aka bumps you up a tier if below 300 g).
Both these changes should be implemented regardless of the proxy feeding strat.
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So is this singed / proxy tactic going to break the meta and/or the entire game untill riot fix it? lol.
If it becomes widespread i can see it being a huge problem really. I doubt singed is the only one who can make it work, nasus anyone? Q farm all day, E for quick clear and W to escape and suicide. Just another option.
Feel like this is going to blow up really fast for some reason lol
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