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upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
May 30 2013 03:45 GMT
#4021
Or you just play Kha'Zix and instaclear the minion wave at 6 after you've killed singed 3 Times and can 1 shot the wave with W.

Good luck to the enemy jungler ever approaching a top side camp or the mid surviving any gank after that.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 03:49:05
May 30 2013 03:47 GMT
#4022
Well you have to have a gameplan for when he's sitting in your base keeping all the lanes pushing. You have to have a plan for breaking high ground when all the lanes autopush against you. Granted at that point his team is starving, so you could probably just farm it out while his team gets zero farm because he's getting all 3 creep waves.

Having a freefarmed AD carry top is probably the best way to handle this stage because if you have both you and your normal bot lane AD carry farming, you don't care that the game is stalling. And once you guys get farmed enough, double AD carries shred towers faster than the creep waves autopushing against you.
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thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
May 30 2013 03:48 GMT
#4023
On May 30 2013 12:02 Misder wrote:
What about building a snowball item and farm stacks on Singed?

You know, this situation is why I think the snowball items still exist.

Also, if Singed is doing the thing where he's worth 0 gold, I think it might be worth it to feed him a kill so he's worth gold again. Since his poison trail is AoE it shouldn't be that hard to force him to take a kill now and then, right?
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
May 30 2013 03:48 GMT
#4024
On May 30 2013 12:47 TheYango wrote:
Well you have to have a gameplan for when he's sitting in your base keeping all the lanes pushing. You have to have a plan for breaking high ground when all the lanes autopush against you. Granted at that point his team is starving, so you could probably just farm it out while his team gets zero farm because he's getting all 3 creep waves.


He doesn't take all 3 creep waves all the time, its like a couple waves every so often, usually people stop him before that point. When I played vs him he only did it a few waves all game.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 03:58:01
May 30 2013 03:50 GMT
#4025
I think one of the biggest problems with this strat is that it completely bypasses Singed's early game weakness and lets him get to that point where he's a complete threat. I agree there are counters to this (though all more difficult to execute than Singed's farming itself) but I can't imagine Riot is ok with being able to solo farm creep waves deep in enemy territory at level 1.

EDIT: As Singed you take TP/Ghost and don't HAVE to proxy farm. However, if you have a really bad lane matchup, your options are 1) be behind by cs quite a bit early game while keeping up with levels, and slowly work your way up, or 2) ignore your opponent and farm behind turrets, and have him lose 2+ creep waves and the exp every time he tries to kill you, while you lose practically no farm thanks to low respawn timers, tp, and how long it'll take his minions to reach the lane.

By proxy farming you're working around your early weakness in lane and getting gold, or at least close to gold with your lane opponent, and getting much needed exp as Singed. (Imagine Singed lane matchups if everyone starts at level 6 with 1k gold)
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
May 30 2013 04:13 GMT
#4026
Wtf is wrong with EUW right now, i cant find a game for the life of me -_- 30+ mins of queues this morning and ive found 1 game.
Useless wet fish.
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
May 30 2013 04:13 GMT
#4027
On May 30 2013 12:07 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 09:14 overt wrote:
On May 30 2013 09:02 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 30 2013 08:58 caelym wrote:
Does anyone else think All Star for League was bigger than G-1 was for Dota 2? or am I being biased and ignorant?

(I bring it up because Live on 3 is almost entirely dedicated to G-1, and not showing much love for All Star Shanghai.)

All-Stars was a bigger specticle, but G-1 was probably more important for Dota as an eSport. LO3 has always been biased against LoL anyway, better since Scoots is gone but it's clear they sill prefer Dota and SC.


All Stars was bigger. LoL is a bigger eSport. Lo3 doesn't cover it because the people on the show don't care that much about the league scene. They don't cover fighting games either.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Lo3 focusing on DotA2 and SC2 while ignoring League. It does kind of suck that League's shows are all kind of bad because people who have been in the scene for years aren't as interested in League so we have to rely on Travis who doesn't have the contacts that Slasher or djWheat have (nor the experience). Hopefully in a few years Travis can step his game up and get pros back on his show and increase the production values of the shows he does or maybe someone like djWheat who's been in the scene for so long will step into LoL.

edit:
Also, I know that Travis has tried to get League players on his show again but complained that it was harder to organize them since they're all so busy now a days but it still sucks that he almost never gets to do a show with pro player commentary anymore.


As much as Travis does for the scene, he shouldn't really be an interviewer. He can produce a show, but shouldn't be the host of one. He does not have the charisma or personality for it. He is a bit too pushy in his interviews to get his own comment in. Watch for that, and compare it to someone like Thorin. It's a world of difference. I don't really enjoy the fact that he's gotten so well known, and yet has not improved anything about his interviewing style. Guess that was my rant for the day.

+Just look at the lengths of the interviews. With his "friends celeb lol esport" he is doing an interview of 7+ minutes and when he is interviewing someone he doesnt know they are much shorter like 2.30 - 3.30 minutes and those interviews are garbage. And he is spamming so many dl interviews with over 10 minutes. And also he wants to be funny in his way but the truth is he isnt funny and doesnt have charisma. /rantover
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
May 30 2013 04:14 GMT
#4028
Reduced death timer quints+mastery, here we come!
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
May 30 2013 04:35 GMT
#4029
I'd take ColbyCheese over Travis. Talk about getting "famous" off the back of knowing someone.
twitch.tv/cratonz
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
May 30 2013 04:46 GMT
#4030
Annie still seems as op as ever. 100% guarenteed kills on gank. Why don't people play her.
I play her 29/0/1 hybridpen runes. Most mid matchups are so incredibly 1sided and some are like 5-5.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
May 30 2013 04:52 GMT
#4031
On May 30 2013 13:13 ExoFun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 12:07 ketchup wrote:
On May 30 2013 09:14 overt wrote:
On May 30 2013 09:02 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 30 2013 08:58 caelym wrote:
Does anyone else think All Star for League was bigger than G-1 was for Dota 2? or am I being biased and ignorant?

(I bring it up because Live on 3 is almost entirely dedicated to G-1, and not showing much love for All Star Shanghai.)

All-Stars was a bigger specticle, but G-1 was probably more important for Dota as an eSport. LO3 has always been biased against LoL anyway, better since Scoots is gone but it's clear they sill prefer Dota and SC.


All Stars was bigger. LoL is a bigger eSport. Lo3 doesn't cover it because the people on the show don't care that much about the league scene. They don't cover fighting games either.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Lo3 focusing on DotA2 and SC2 while ignoring League. It does kind of suck that League's shows are all kind of bad because people who have been in the scene for years aren't as interested in League so we have to rely on Travis who doesn't have the contacts that Slasher or djWheat have (nor the experience). Hopefully in a few years Travis can step his game up and get pros back on his show and increase the production values of the shows he does or maybe someone like djWheat who's been in the scene for so long will step into LoL.

edit:
Also, I know that Travis has tried to get League players on his show again but complained that it was harder to organize them since they're all so busy now a days but it still sucks that he almost never gets to do a show with pro player commentary anymore.


As much as Travis does for the scene, he shouldn't really be an interviewer. He can produce a show, but shouldn't be the host of one. He does not have the charisma or personality for it. He is a bit too pushy in his interviews to get his own comment in. Watch for that, and compare it to someone like Thorin. It's a world of difference. I don't really enjoy the fact that he's gotten so well known, and yet has not improved anything about his interviewing style. Guess that was my rant for the day.

+Just look at the lengths of the interviews. With his "friends celeb lol esport" he is doing an interview of 7+ minutes and when he is interviewing someone he doesnt know they are much shorter like 2.30 - 3.30 minutes and those interviews are garbage. And he is spamming so many dl interviews with over 10 minutes. And also he wants to be funny in his way but the truth is he isnt funny and doesnt have charisma. /rantover


You guys have to give Travis some credit - he was pretty intent on making a State of the Game clone for LoL even when everyone on TL/reddit told him that it would go nowhere and he did it anyway. I've only watched bits of them but for a half-baked interview show that is entirely built off of the back of its successful predecessor it isn't as bad as it could have been. For as massive as the LoL community is there seem to be relatively few people who are actively trying to make shit happen.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
May 30 2013 05:01 GMT
#4032
I'm just going to assume this "proxy farming" or whatever its called was the inspiration of Hotshot's Udyr during LCS where he went like 0-5 in lane and just did this all game.

He's a genius.

Btw does anybody remember what game that was? I remember laughing the entire game, but can't quite remember who it was.
Forever Young
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 05:16:26
May 30 2013 05:04 GMT
#4033
That Singed thing is fucking brilliant
To me it looks really bad but if it turns out to be a viable last pick against teams who have no good anti-splitpush that wouldbe hilarious. If I were playing against it as jungler imo get 1 kill on him to help yourself for the 4v4 to come and then just ignore him for most of the game. If you have Ezreal, Vayne, Zed or something along those lines he's not going to be a threat whatsoever come lategame, if you don't then you have to trade towers in order to get objectives, doesn't seem that much of a problem either way. In the Dyrus game, if the Xerath wasn't so stupid and didn't roam to top lane like 5 times before lvl10 that game would be a lot easier.

Another champ who can do this (though not from lvl1 probably) is Udyr.

Yeah just saw the robertxlee game, it didnt look that impressive tbh o.o
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
May 30 2013 05:06 GMT
#4034
On May 30 2013 13:46 RoieTRS wrote:
Annie still seems as op as ever. 100% guarenteed kills on gank. Why don't people play her.
I play her 29/0/1 hybridpen runes. Most mid matchups are so incredibly 1sided and some are like 5-5.

Anything durable shits on her, her ability to push is awful, she's really reliant on getting a big flash ult and has to essentially sit on the stun doing nothing until the perfect moment or get caught in a fight without it ready (which will typically mean you lose).
twitch.tv/cratonz
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
May 30 2013 05:06 GMT
#4035
On May 30 2013 13:52 c.Deadly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 13:13 ExoFun wrote:
On May 30 2013 12:07 ketchup wrote:
On May 30 2013 09:14 overt wrote:
On May 30 2013 09:02 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 30 2013 08:58 caelym wrote:
Does anyone else think All Star for League was bigger than G-1 was for Dota 2? or am I being biased and ignorant?

(I bring it up because Live on 3 is almost entirely dedicated to G-1, and not showing much love for All Star Shanghai.)

All-Stars was a bigger specticle, but G-1 was probably more important for Dota as an eSport. LO3 has always been biased against LoL anyway, better since Scoots is gone but it's clear they sill prefer Dota and SC.


All Stars was bigger. LoL is a bigger eSport. Lo3 doesn't cover it because the people on the show don't care that much about the league scene. They don't cover fighting games either.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Lo3 focusing on DotA2 and SC2 while ignoring League. It does kind of suck that League's shows are all kind of bad because people who have been in the scene for years aren't as interested in League so we have to rely on Travis who doesn't have the contacts that Slasher or djWheat have (nor the experience). Hopefully in a few years Travis can step his game up and get pros back on his show and increase the production values of the shows he does or maybe someone like djWheat who's been in the scene for so long will step into LoL.

edit:
Also, I know that Travis has tried to get League players on his show again but complained that it was harder to organize them since they're all so busy now a days but it still sucks that he almost never gets to do a show with pro player commentary anymore.


As much as Travis does for the scene, he shouldn't really be an interviewer. He can produce a show, but shouldn't be the host of one. He does not have the charisma or personality for it. He is a bit too pushy in his interviews to get his own comment in. Watch for that, and compare it to someone like Thorin. It's a world of difference. I don't really enjoy the fact that he's gotten so well known, and yet has not improved anything about his interviewing style. Guess that was my rant for the day.

+Just look at the lengths of the interviews. With his "friends celeb lol esport" he is doing an interview of 7+ minutes and when he is interviewing someone he doesnt know they are much shorter like 2.30 - 3.30 minutes and those interviews are garbage. And he is spamming so many dl interviews with over 10 minutes. And also he wants to be funny in his way but the truth is he isnt funny and doesnt have charisma. /rantover


You guys have to give Travis some credit - he was pretty intent on making a State of the Game clone for LoL even when everyone on TL/reddit told him that it would go nowhere and he did it anyway. I've only watched bits of them but for a half-baked interview show that is entirely built off of the back of its successful predecessor it isn't as bad as it could have been. For as massive as the LoL community is there seem to be relatively few people who are actively trying to make shit happen.


Not sure why all the hate for Travis, if you think you can do better frelling do it. Everyone told him his show was a rip off, wouldn't last, wasnt' good enough and yet he's still here. At this point he's doing this because he enjoys doing it and hoping he quits or does something else at this point isn't going to happen. I dunno I am sounding abit defensive I really don't even care about him personally but the guy does work and is doing what no one else either can or is willing to do. I am not going to fault him for doing something he clearly enjoys as he puts up with god knows how much crap from people.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
May 30 2013 05:07 GMT
#4036
Because he's awful at it.
twitch.tv/cratonz
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 30 2013 05:14 GMT
#4037
On May 30 2013 14:07 Craton wrote:
Because he's awful at it.

Except he's not.
liftlift > tsm
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
May 30 2013 05:17 GMT
#4038
I like Travis and his work personally. However the comments about "stop hating and do it yourself" are really dumb. How is a random community member going to get 4 pros to participate in his talk show? How is he even going to get one pro to do it? Content involving pros are pretty much impossible to make on your own. You'd need personal connections or be backed by an established media organization.
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
May 30 2013 05:19 GMT
#4039
On May 30 2013 14:07 Craton wrote:
Because he's awful at it.


As for the topic of content creators for professional League of Legends scene, there's a serious shortage of personnel as it is. Constructive criticism would be so much better than endless hatred that might drive away even the most determined away from their passion. I personally thought his interview with Locodoco was one of the most insight full media content released in the scene, although Locodoco in general is a content goldmine for the media, both in terms of insight, and entertainment value.
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
May 30 2013 05:20 GMT
#4040
that lasthitting from dyrus wtf
a 2v1 or jungle start in the same location as mentioned by bly would shut that strat down but its hilarious LOL
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