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Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
May 30 2013 02:38 GMT
#4001
As I'm probably the worst top laner, and always feed like shit when I'm top anyway, I gotta try this next time I have to top. LOL
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
May 30 2013 02:41 GMT
#4002
I doubt many champions except singed can do lvl 1 proxy tbh. Which champion loses so little health and mana tanking/kiting a whole wave at lvl 1? Having the support dealing with singed and ADC farming at tower is probably the best solution, but if it's really just singed that can do this strat, you can just ban out singed until riot fixes it?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 02:48:32
May 30 2013 02:43 GMT
#4003
I'm confused why nobody has figured out that you can just freefarm a Kog/Vayne/Poppy/whatever against this because anyone with a brain can 6/6 every wave under tower when the other champ isn't there. Just leave the Singed there and farm to your heart's content.

The tower will eventually fall, but I'll take a Vayne or Kog that has 100% of the lasthits over a Singed any day.

EDIT: Hell, if he ever backs or dies, you just back, grab an Avarice Blade and armor/regen and tank the creep wave just in front of the tower. Tower stays up and you just farm.
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SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
May 30 2013 02:47 GMT
#4004
Did AP tryn break anything?
Altar
Profile Joined May 2008
United States577 Posts
May 30 2013 02:49 GMT
#4005
http://www.twitch.tv/druiddroid

guy is streaming his singed right now, really bad quality though.
Heavens to Betsy
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
May 30 2013 02:50 GMT
#4006
On May 30 2013 11:43 TheYango wrote:
I'm confused why nobody has figured out that you can just freefarm a Kog/Vayne/Poppy/whatever against this because anyone with a brain can 6/6 every wave under tower when the other champ isn't there. Just leave the Singed there and farm to your heart's content.

The tower will eventually fall, but I'll take a Vayne or Kog that has 100% of the lasthits over a Singed any day.

EDIT: Hell, if he ever backs or dies, you just back, grab an Avarice Blade and armor/regen and tank the creep wave just in front of the tower. Tower stays up and you just farm.


I disagree. The best singed players will do more than just farm, he will go into your jungle and gank your midlaner and be a mapwide threat, while you are stuck freefarming.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 02:57:11
May 30 2013 02:51 GMT
#4007
You're free to respond to his movement because your creep wave dies faster than his. He has to kill it himself while your tower does most of the work for you.

He has to be high enough level to kill the whole wave with poison faster than the tower before he can do anything, which won't happen for a while.

EDIT: Singed needs rank 4 poison before he kills a creep wave faster than your tower (9 tower hits = 9 seconds, needs rank 4 poison for poison to have enough DPS to kill melee minions in 9 seconds).
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 30 2013 02:54 GMT
#4008
On May 30 2013 11:50 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 11:43 TheYango wrote:
I'm confused why nobody has figured out that you can just freefarm a Kog/Vayne/Poppy/whatever against this because anyone with a brain can 6/6 every wave under tower when the other champ isn't there. Just leave the Singed there and farm to your heart's content.

The tower will eventually fall, but I'll take a Vayne or Kog that has 100% of the lasthits over a Singed any day.

EDIT: Hell, if he ever backs or dies, you just back, grab an Avarice Blade and armor/regen and tank the creep wave just in front of the tower. Tower stays up and you just farm.


I disagree. The best singed players will do more than just farm, he will go into your jungle and gank your midlaner and be a mapwide threat, while you are stuck freefarming.

And if he's ganking and getting assists he's not even doing the feeding strat properly.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
May 30 2013 02:55 GMT
#4009
On May 30 2013 11:50 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 11:43 TheYango wrote:
I'm confused why nobody has figured out that you can just freefarm a Kog/Vayne/Poppy/whatever against this because anyone with a brain can 6/6 every wave under tower when the other champ isn't there. Just leave the Singed there and farm to your heart's content.

The tower will eventually fall, but I'll take a Vayne or Kog that has 100% of the lasthits over a Singed any day.

EDIT: Hell, if he ever backs or dies, you just back, grab an Avarice Blade and armor/regen and tank the creep wave just in front of the tower. Tower stays up and you just farm.


I disagree. The best singed players will do more than just farm, he will go into your jungle and gank your midlaner and be a mapwide threat, while you are stuck freefarming.


you wont be worth 0 gold when you die if your killing people
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 30 2013 02:57 GMT
#4010
Galio vs all AP in ARAM is absolutely hilarious.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5712 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 03:04:07
May 30 2013 03:00 GMT
#4011
I went hard all game proxy'ing from lvl1 onwards whenever possibly. Gave away FB and started game 0-2. Then somehow I started getting kills from the top laner/jungler chasing me through my poison while also doubleing the Wukong's CS. Their jungler (Nunu) camped me top all game and it was basically a 1v2. My botlane was 0-10 at one point too so it's not like my team was taking adv of them having no jungle presence.

Anyway ended score as 7-8-9 and I had 2k more gold than anyone else and was unstoppable, 100cs over nearest person.

You're mentality basically has to be FARM FARM FARM TAKE ALL THE CS. At all points in the game and just be an annoying prick and make people chase you. Don't care if you die horribly sometimes but just make sure you are getting massive amounts of cs.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 30 2013 03:02 GMT
#4012
What about building a snowball item and farm stacks on Singed?
Whaaaa?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 03:07:41
May 30 2013 03:06 GMT
#4013
Ok so I just watched the Dyrus video and understand why this works.

"One of the best top laners in NA" can't even fucking 6/6 a wave with Shen. He 4/6es both of the first 2 creep waves.
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ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
May 30 2013 03:07 GMT
#4014
On May 30 2013 09:14 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 09:02 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 30 2013 08:58 caelym wrote:
Does anyone else think All Star for League was bigger than G-1 was for Dota 2? or am I being biased and ignorant?

(I bring it up because Live on 3 is almost entirely dedicated to G-1, and not showing much love for All Star Shanghai.)

All-Stars was a bigger specticle, but G-1 was probably more important for Dota as an eSport. LO3 has always been biased against LoL anyway, better since Scoots is gone but it's clear they sill prefer Dota and SC.


All Stars was bigger. LoL is a bigger eSport. Lo3 doesn't cover it because the people on the show don't care that much about the league scene. They don't cover fighting games either.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Lo3 focusing on DotA2 and SC2 while ignoring League. It does kind of suck that League's shows are all kind of bad because people who have been in the scene for years aren't as interested in League so we have to rely on Travis who doesn't have the contacts that Slasher or djWheat have (nor the experience). Hopefully in a few years Travis can step his game up and get pros back on his show and increase the production values of the shows he does or maybe someone like djWheat who's been in the scene for so long will step into LoL.

edit:
Also, I know that Travis has tried to get League players on his show again but complained that it was harder to organize them since they're all so busy now a days but it still sucks that he almost never gets to do a show with pro player commentary anymore.


As much as Travis does for the scene, he shouldn't really be an interviewer. He can produce a show, but shouldn't be the host of one. He does not have the charisma or personality for it. He is a bit too pushy in his interviews to get his own comment in. Watch for that, and compare it to someone like Thorin. It's a world of difference. I don't really enjoy the fact that he's gotten so well known, and yet has not improved anything about his interviewing style. Guess that was my rant for the day.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 03:31:25
May 30 2013 03:17 GMT
#4015
Ok, just as a heads-up, just play Kog against this, even if you have no idea how to lasthit under tower.

Void Ooze rank 1 damage is low enough that if you Void Ooze the wave, it sets up ALL 6 creeps to be lasthit under tower. Repeat every wave.

By the time he's farmed enough to sit inside your base and stop all 3 waves, you're farmed enough to shred towers, and his team is starving because he's stopping all creeps from moving to them.
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
May 30 2013 03:20 GMT
#4016
On May 30 2013 12:06 TheYango wrote:
Ok so I just watched the Dyrus video and understand why this works.

"One of the best top laners in NA" can't even fucking 6/6 a wave with Shen. He 4/6es both of the first 2 creep waves.


You made the mistake of using Dyrus as an example. The guys duller then a doorknob. I love TSM but dyrus is a no-no.

Nice kog tip though
Useless wet fish.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
May 30 2013 03:20 GMT
#4017
theyango for blue poster/star etc
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 03:22:31
May 30 2013 03:21 GMT
#4018
i dont understand how this can work if the jungler just starts at the top side buff

also about Dyrus, he should've auto attacked one of the ranged creeps before tower hit and it would've been 6/6, was a pretty obvious mechanical mistake that I rarely see people make.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-30 03:23:54
May 30 2013 03:23 GMT
#4019
On May 30 2013 12:07 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2013 09:14 overt wrote:
On May 30 2013 09:02 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 30 2013 08:58 caelym wrote:
Does anyone else think All Star for League was bigger than G-1 was for Dota 2? or am I being biased and ignorant?

(I bring it up because Live on 3 is almost entirely dedicated to G-1, and not showing much love for All Star Shanghai.)

All-Stars was a bigger specticle, but G-1 was probably more important for Dota as an eSport. LO3 has always been biased against LoL anyway, better since Scoots is gone but it's clear they sill prefer Dota and SC.


All Stars was bigger. LoL is a bigger eSport. Lo3 doesn't cover it because the people on the show don't care that much about the league scene. They don't cover fighting games either.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Lo3 focusing on DotA2 and SC2 while ignoring League. It does kind of suck that League's shows are all kind of bad because people who have been in the scene for years aren't as interested in League so we have to rely on Travis who doesn't have the contacts that Slasher or djWheat have (nor the experience). Hopefully in a few years Travis can step his game up and get pros back on his show and increase the production values of the shows he does or maybe someone like djWheat who's been in the scene for so long will step into LoL.

edit:
Also, I know that Travis has tried to get League players on his show again but complained that it was harder to organize them since they're all so busy now a days but it still sucks that he almost never gets to do a show with pro player commentary anymore.


As much as Travis does for the scene, he shouldn't really be an interviewer. He can produce a show, but shouldn't be the host of one. He does not have the charisma or personality for it. He is a bit too pushy in his interviews to get his own comment in. Watch for that, and compare it to someone like Thorin. It's a world of difference. I don't really enjoy the fact that he's gotten so well known, and yet has not improved anything about his interviewing style. Guess that was my rant for the day.

He has the connections through Doublelift, sometimes that's all you need. I'd love to see someone else provide some sort of competition, but eSports is pretty closed door with a lot of its access to pros.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
May 30 2013 03:26 GMT
#4020
That singed strat is silly, it abuses the death penalty of gold really really heavily.

I agree with that the best way to fix it is make every 25 cs give an assit worth of gold reset up until like the 2nd or 3rd death level (0-2 or 0-3).

The problem is it costs you gold to kill him while he still ends up gettign the gold from the wave.
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