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On May 30 2013 14:07 Craton wrote:
Because he's awful at it.
That is the problem.
Like, yes Travis is better than nothing (but only after you have the transcript, the interviews are painful to listen to), but the point is that he is crowding out real interviewers that could possibly pop up based on skill. His only claim to fame is knowing LCS players, especially DL. The reality is that we don't even need to demand a Day[9] like character who is both good at the game and good at interviews. He is bad at the game AND bad at interviews AND, as a final straw, doesn't even look up good questions to ask on a site like TL.
No SOTL has ever even touched on balance questions, I mean, we need a place to develop an IdrA for LOL. A player who is world class, and can QQ. Plus we need an iNcontrol who can bump up against our IdrA.
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On May 30 2013 14:20 cLutZ wrote:That is the problem. Like, yes Travis is better than nothing (but only after you have the transcript, the interviews are painful to listen to), but the point is that he is crowding out real interviewers that could possibly pop up based on skill. His only claim to fame is knowing LCS players, especially DL. The reality is that we don't even need to demand a Day[9] like character who is both good at the game and good at interviews. He is bad at the game AND bad at interviews AND, as a final straw, doesn't even look up good questions to ask on a site like TL. No SOTL has ever even touched on balance questions, I mean, we need a place to develop an IdrA for LOL. A player who is world class, and can QQ. Plus we need an iNcontrol who can bump up against our IdrA.
SOTL has always been a drama update imo. not really a balance thing.
His interviews he does for LCS is pretty good; it's all in good fun.
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he's not charismatic or a particularly good interviewer but its his passion and life atm so if you dislike his content its perfectly fine to just not partake in it.
ofc giving criticisms is legit too.
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On May 30 2013 14:23 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 14:20 cLutZ wrote:On May 30 2013 14:07 Craton wrote:
Because he's awful at it. That is the problem. Like, yes Travis is better than nothing (but only after you have the transcript, the interviews are painful to listen to), but the point is that he is crowding out real interviewers that could possibly pop up based on skill. His only claim to fame is knowing LCS players, especially DL. The reality is that we don't even need to demand a Day[9] like character who is both good at the game and good at interviews. He is bad at the game AND bad at interviews AND, as a final straw, doesn't even look up good questions to ask on a site like TL. No SOTL has ever even touched on balance questions, I mean, we need a place to develop an IdrA for LOL. A player who is world class, and can QQ. Plus we need an iNcontrol who can bump up against our IdrA. SOTL has always been a drama update imo. not really a balance thing. His interviews he does for LCS is pretty good; it's all in good fun.
On May 30 2013 14:26 Navi wrote:
he's not charismatic or a particularly good interviewer but its his passion and life atm so if you dislike his content its perfectly fine to just not partake in it.
ofc giving criticisms is legit too.
This is all fine...if we actually got pro players in a confrontational environment debating balance. ANYWHERE
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On May 30 2013 13:46 RoieTRS wrote:
Annie still seems as op as ever. 100% guarenteed kills on gank. Why don't people play her.
I play her 29/0/1 hybridpen runes. Most mid matchups are so incredibly 1sided and some are like 5-5.
Annie was absolutely never OP. The times she got nerfed was because against people who are bad she wrecks really hard.
She's still viable. She's probably my favorite champion in the game. But she has very few lane match ups where she's advantaged. Most of her match ups are disadvantaged or skill based and champions like Zed/Kha'Zix/Diana can much more reliably and consistently burst down opposing mid laners.
Annie probably has the best initiation from mid lane when flash is up though. And almost certainly the best counter-initiate. But it comes at the cost of low range and low utility which means she's kind of risky during lane phase. Obviously if you get a few kills you can snowball hard on Annie but that's true of nearly every mid laner (and you can snow ball much more reliably on say Zed or Diana).
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Let me liberally translate what Karel Havlíček Borovský, one of the greatest czech autors of 19th century says in his Chapter about criticism
"... Third, it is not necessary for the critic to be able to write a better piece than the one he is criticising. ..."
guys, GUYS, we KNEW you shouldn't say this "do a better one then" shit at least 160 goddamn years ago.
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I think Travis is a competent interviewer. I don't remember ever thinking his questions were stupid which is pretty good for an ESports media figure imo.
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yeah. if ppl really think that he's that bad and/or want to see him out, then create your own content that surpasses it and takes its place. easier said than done.
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On May 30 2013 14:29 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 13:46 RoieTRS wrote:
Annie still seems as op as ever. 100% guarenteed kills on gank. Why don't people play her.
I play her 29/0/1 hybridpen runes. Most mid matchups are so incredibly 1sided and some are like 5-5. Annie was absolutely never OP. The times she got nerfed was because against people who are bad she wrecks really hard. She's still viable. She's probably my favorite champion in the game. But she has very few lane match ups where she's advantaged. Most of her match ups are disadvantaged or skill based and champions like Zed/Kha'Zix/Diana can much more reliably and consistently burst down opposing mid laners. Annie probably has the best initiation from mid lane when flash is up though. And almost certainly the best counter-initiate. But it comes at the cost of low range and low utility which means she's kind of risky during lane phase. Obviously if you get a few kills you can snowball hard on Annie but that's true of nearly every mid laner (and you can snow ball much more reliably on say Zed or Diana).
Wasn't there a double damage tibbers bug last year sometime... around the time when jiji still played mid for clg.
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On May 30 2013 14:39 Navi wrote:
yeah. if ppl really think that he's that bad and/or want to see him out, then create your own content that surpasses it and takes its place. easier said than done.
ARRRGH I AM RIPPING MY HAIR OUT
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On May 30 2013 14:40 Dgiese wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 14:29 overt wrote:On May 30 2013 13:46 RoieTRS wrote:
Annie still seems as op as ever. 100% guarenteed kills on gank. Why don't people play her.
I play her 29/0/1 hybridpen runes. Most mid matchups are so incredibly 1sided and some are like 5-5. Annie was absolutely never OP. The times she got nerfed was because against people who are bad she wrecks really hard. She's still viable. She's probably my favorite champion in the game. But she has very few lane match ups where she's advantaged. Most of her match ups are disadvantaged or skill based and champions like Zed/Kha'Zix/Diana can much more reliably and consistently burst down opposing mid laners. Annie probably has the best initiation from mid lane when flash is up though. And almost certainly the best counter-initiate. But it comes at the cost of low range and low utility which means she's kind of risky during lane phase. Obviously if you get a few kills you can snowball hard on Annie but that's true of nearly every mid laner (and you can snow ball much more reliably on say Zed or Diana). Wasn't there a double damage tibbers bug last year sometime... around the time when jiji still played mid for clg.
Yes. But it was really inconsistent as to when it would and wouldn't happen. People, even pros on stream, would freak out about "double damage tibbers" when it was just Anine's normal burst damage. The actual double damage bug was really rare.
Also it wasn't just Annie's tibbers. There were several AoE spells that would occasionally glitch out and deal double damage. Annie was the one people bitched about the most because she was popular at the time.
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Does anyone know where I can find Korean high elo arranged or solo queue vods?
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On May 30 2013 14:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I think Travis is a competent interviewer. I don't remember ever thinking his questions were stupid which is pretty good for an ESports media figure imo.
Travis is a better interviewer than most SPORTS media figures.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
-Theodore Roosevelt
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On May 30 2013 14:53 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 14:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I think Travis is a competent interviewer. I don't remember ever thinking his questions were stupid which is pretty good for an ESports media figure imo. Travis is a better interviewer than most SPORTS media figures.
what sports are we talking lol
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On May 30 2013 14:20 cLutZ wrote:That is the problem. Like, yes Travis is better than nothing (but only after you have the transcript, the interviews are painful to listen to), but the point is that he is crowding out real interviewers that could possibly pop up based on skill. His only claim to fame is knowing LCS players, especially DL. The reality is that we don't even need to demand a Day[9] like character who is both good at the game and good at interviews. He is bad at the game AND bad at interviews AND, as a final straw, doesn't even look up good questions to ask on a site like TL. No SOTL has ever even touched on balance questions, I mean, we need a place to develop an IdrA for LOL. A player who is world class, and can QQ. Plus we need an iNcontrol who can bump up against our IdrA.
I don't think Travis is crowding out other content creators because the majority of LoL content is pretty sub-par. I like Sjokz, VVinrar writes good articles, Monte's stream is good when I can catch it, and the TL content is great obviously, but there are really big voids that can't be filled by top 10 videos made with windows movie maker and MS Paint charts of LCS records by matchup.
Like you said, balance discussion is really lacking, but that isn't the only thing. There's almost no meta discussion, item discussion/theorycrafting, team compositions and synergy, a centralized location for quality champion guides, solo queue/arranged team guides, tournament roundups and team speculation, statistical breakdowns for individual players, etc etc. I get basically all of that from f5'ing this TL GD thread and the LR threads, and the guides that we do have are from TL posters (learn 5hit, etc.) and although still generally applicable aren't kept up to date.
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I think it's cool that Travis has a more relaxed interview style. I just wish we could have someone else interviewing that did a more analytical interview. Travis is great for getting to know a person but not getting to know the player.
I realize there's Thorin and he's great but his interviews aren't practical right after a match and due to their length you get substantially less interviews from him.
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On May 30 2013 15:01 overt wrote:
I think it's cool that Travis has a more relaxed interview style. I just wish we could have someone else interviewing that did a more analytical interview. Travis is great for getting to know a person but not getting to know the player.
I realize there's Thorin and he's great but his interviews aren't practical right after a match and due to their length you get substantially less interviews from him.
I did some analytical interviews way back at MLG Providence 2011...
On May 30 2013 14:56 c.Deadly wrote:
There's almost no meta discussion, item discussion/theorycrafting, team compositions and synergy.
Since we have a history of copying SC2 talk shows, let's start one called Meta.
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On May 30 2013 15:01 overt wrote:
I think it's cool that Travis has a more relaxed interview style. I just wish we could have someone else interviewing that did a more analytical interview. Travis is great for getting to know a person but not getting to know the player.
I realize there's Thorin and he's great but his interviews aren't practical right after a match and due to their length you get substantially less interviews from him.
Also, thorin's interviews are more like a recap of the player's life than a discussion of the game.
On May 30 2013 14:56 c.Deadly wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 14:20 cLutZ wrote:On May 30 2013 14:07 Craton wrote:
Because he's awful at it. That is the problem. Like, yes Travis is better than nothing (but only after you have the transcript, the interviews are painful to listen to), but the point is that he is crowding out real interviewers that could possibly pop up based on skill. His only claim to fame is knowing LCS players, especially DL. The reality is that we don't even need to demand a Day[9] like character who is both good at the game and good at interviews. He is bad at the game AND bad at interviews AND, as a final straw, doesn't even look up good questions to ask on a site like TL. No SOTL has ever even touched on balance questions, I mean, we need a place to develop an IdrA for LOL. A player who is world class, and can QQ. Plus we need an iNcontrol who can bump up against our IdrA. I don't think Travis is crowding out other content creators because the majority of LoL content is pretty sub-par. I like Sjokz, VVinrar writes good articles, Monte's stream is good when I can catch it, and the TL content is great obviously, but there are really big voids that can't be filled by top 10 videos made with windows movie maker and MS Paint charts of LCS records by matchup. Like you said, balance discussion is really lacking, but that isn't the only thing. There's almost no meta discussion, item discussion/theorycrafting, team compositions and synergy, a centralized location for quality champion guides, solo queue/arranged team guides, tournament roundups and team speculation, statistical breakdowns for individual players, etc etc. I get basically all of that from f5'ing this TL GD thread and the LR threads, and the guides that we do have are from TL posters (learn 5hit, etc.) and although still generally applicable aren't kept up to date.
I would say meta/item/teamcomp/synergy discussions would all fit under the balance umbrella.
Like, for instance. Thresh/TF were picked/banned in 100% of games this last weekend. TF banned more, Thresh picked more. The perfect question to ask a pro midlaner is: #1 How do you think the impending TF changes will affect this. And if they say "I think he will be much weaker" you follow up and ask "So what champions/comps do you think are stronger following those nerfs?" "Do you think they went too far?" "Do you think the fact that Zed was bugged changed how teams played this weekend?" "Were the Zed nerfs enough?" ETC.
That paragraph is like 10 minutes of content and took me 1 minute to write.
Edit. I didnt even include interesting questions like "why are we seeing a resurgence of lee sin" (aka the best question yet).
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On May 30 2013 14:54 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 14:53 wei2coolman wrote:On May 30 2013 14:37 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I think Travis is a competent interviewer. I don't remember ever thinking his questions were stupid which is pretty good for an ESports media figure imo. Travis is a better interviewer than most SPORTS media figures. what sports are we talking lol
almost all sports; nfl, nba, mlb, etc.
it's mostly because major pro sports have "taboo" questions. right now it's pretty much free game.
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The reason why balance isn't discussed is because the players are expected to learn champions which are currently the strongest.
In sc2 you obviously can't expect players to play all 3 races, so balance is way more important there.
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